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Kozzie or Wizard - who'd you take? (14.05.26)

13 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 2.134 Tim

Breakfast with Gary and Tim.

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3.536 - 6.54 Wizard Watson

The Wizards won. The Wizards won for sure. I love the Wizards.

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Chapter 2: Why do listeners favor the Wizards over Kozzie?

7.441 - 15.192 Wizard Watson

I reckon he could end up being the best small forward the game's seen. The way he's going, the amount of goals he's kicking, the excitement that he brings.

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15.773 - 19.718 Gary

That was the team first man, Pap, who joined us yesterday.

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Chapter 3: What makes Kozzie Pickett a standout player?

19.738 - 38.065 Gary

He's starting to bore us because he's becoming a team player. Yeah. It was an interesting take given he's been one of the great small forwards. So we'll talk about tonight's game. Corey Mobiliar will come in and unpack it from a statistical point of view. Brenton Sanderson on this station with Gerard gives it a great tactical run. So just relax, that person. You're going to hear plenty about it.

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39.387 - 46.778 Gary

But it's a simple question. We're revisiting one of our greatest segments that we did about eight years ago. It was called Either Or. Who is...

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Chapter 4: How does team play influence player performance?

46.758 - 57.202 Gary

Not original, but we've been doing it for a long time. Cozzy Pickett or Nick Watson. That's it. You can justify it any way you want, but you just can only pick one. Who are you picking?

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57.623 - 59.628 Unknown

Okay, I'll give you some feedback off the temper text.

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59.648 - 60.61 Gary

No, no, I'm asking you first.

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60.631 - 79.717 Unknown

Yeah, okay, I'm picking Cozzy. The Wizard All Day. Um, boys, Cozzy for me, I just think he's a bit more of a match winner. They can both tear you up, but Cozzy is the everywhere man now. And I think probably because we're seeing him injected into the midfield and he's become more of a midfield player now, Cozzy. He's doing it all over the ground.

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79.737 - 81 Gary

Which Nick Watson will get to.

80.98 - 95.489 Unknown

I think he'll get there. And he does go in every now and then. I don't think he's not capable of doing that. But if you were talking pure forwards, if both of them were just afforded to play in the forward line, it's also about ball movement too.

95.65 - 99.698 Gary

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Park that.

99.796 - 102.059 Unknown

No, I don't want to park it because it's so important.

102.159 - 110.73 Gary

Go and put them in the Brisbane team then. Play them in the Brisbane team. Because I just want to compare the two of them. Okay. So it's not about who's better with their team. I'm just saying, who would you pick?

Chapter 5: What criteria should be used to choose between Kozzie and Wizard?

114.715 - 114.996 Unknown

It is.

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115.116 - 120.623 Gary

Hang on. That's the first time in six years you've called me Gary. What are you getting serious for?

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120.603 - 127.273 Unknown

Because I'm telling you, it makes a difference. The way a team plays makes a difference to a small forward. It just does.

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127.454 - 130.238 Gary

But that's not the question. Who's not the best? Who's the small?

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Chapter 6: What are the opinions on who is the better small forward?

130.258 - 145.682 Unknown

No, but I was making the point about the way if you put Cozzy in a Hawthorne team and you had Wiz in the Hawthorne team at the same time, then you get a true indication of who's the greatest small forward between the two of them.

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145.662 - 147.026 Gary

Righto, just send them through.

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147.366 - 149.432 Unknown

Who do you like then? Do you like Cozzy?

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150.154 - 159.758 Gary

I'd take Cozzy right now, but I wouldn't, in 12 months' time, we can revisit it, if we're allowed, and you could come up with a different answer.

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160.159 - 162.405 Unknown

Okay, would they both be in the All-Australian team right now?

162.385 - 169.98 Gary

I think they would. I think Nick could be the small forward. Well, Cozzy could get in there as a midfielder. Cozzy's a genuine bona fide midfielder.

170 - 170.301 Unknown

Right.

170.361 - 189.895 Gary

So that's where he's going to be in that conversation. It's going to be brilliant to watch. And I'm just trying to work out who's going to play on them. From a Melbourne point of view, who they play on him is going to be an issue, I think. It's going to be a real issue. I don't know whether they've got a set-up defender to go to him.

190.015 - 192.78 Tim

Who's your normal little small shutdown defender?

Chapter 7: How do the players' roles differ on the field?

206.159 - 218.115 Unknown

I think it's a team thing. I think you've got to look at what the Fremantle Dockers did in the second half of the game at the weekend to find out that the work needs to go on a little bit further up the field just to deny him the ball.

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218.956 - 237.291 Gary

I'll take Pickett, then Cameron, then Papley, then Lohman, then Stengel, then Rochelle. What? I don't. Well, no, that's fair enough. You can have your opinion. We'll get the poll. That'll give us a better indication because I can't keep up with all the text messages coming through.

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237.531 - 259.93 Unknown

No, there's a lot of text messages coming through. I think we can safely say, given the response that there's been from our audience out there, that they both love the fact that these players light it up the way that they do. Who would have thought that we'd be talking about small forwards as... I know. The most magical, watchable players in the game.

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260.491 - 281.053 Gary

Yeah, and if you're a Hawthorne supporter or a Melbourne supporter and you're going along on Saturday afternoon, then understand it. But if you're just like footy and you've got nothing going on Saturday afternoon, you'd go and watch. Or you'd certainly be getting down in front of the TV and for Fox Footy's coverage of it. Don't worry about that. Borsh has been holding on for a while. Go, Borsh.

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282.299 - 284.121 Bush

G'day, Gaz and Wish. How are you?

284.141 - 284.701 Gary

Hey, good, Bush.

284.721 - 285.482 Tim

How are you this morning?

286.503 - 294.209 Bush

I'm not too bad. I've talked to you a lot of the time in the past, but not for a while. I was compelled to call.

294.51 - 301.336 Tim

I said to Gary before we came on here this morning, I said, I haven't heard from Bush for a while, and lo and behold, you pop up.

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