Chapter 1: What issues are being raised about the Stand Rule?
Breakfast with Gary and Tim.
Great to have you with us.
It is the Tuesday after a big weekend. The footy was okay. There were some good moments. There were some average games, but the umpiring, unfortunately, has taken centre stage.
The arc issues, some of the stand issues, and instead of celebrating, well, I think Scott Pendleby's been celebrated, but there are some other things that have probably slipped through due to the fact that the focus has been on umpiring.
Yeah, and I'd prefer not to be talking about this, but the stand rule, you got hot under your collar last night on G60. I did a little bit. I'll be carried on a bit. Where do you stand on the stand rule right now, given the example that we saw involving Ben Miller, Richmond's Ben Miller, and also Maxi Gorn?
I don't mind the stand rule. I know there are people that hate it, but- You can't ā if Ben Miller's tracking ā just say Ben Miller's tracking Max Gorn from the back pocket, right?
And he's busting his ass because Max is a great athlete, and Ben's thinking, I can't let Max go because he's ā and he's head down, he's running, he's running, and Max is running because he wants to get forward, and it's a great ā that's what footy's all about. Max posing the ultimate physical question to Ben Miller.
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Chapter 2: How is the ARC impacting the game of footy?
Ben Miller's responding as best he can, and then they both go through the protected area, and the umpire says, uh-uh. Stop, Ben. You've got to pull up here, mate.
Because you're the closest player.
That counts for everything we do. And then so Ben Miller has to stop and goes, oh, what, you want me to let Max just wander forward on his own, do you? After I've run, I've nearly killed myself running 83 metres trying to keep within arm's length.
It should be like, as I said last night, when the player runs into a protected area, the only way he gets away with it, he says, no, no, I'm following him. I'm in arm's length of him.
As you can see.
As you can see. So the umpire should have said, no, I can see that. And then it was up to someone else to go and stand the mark.
That's right. For Richmond. I nearly fell off my Jason recliner last night when you then said, or you played the grab from Swanee saying that that's what the expectation is.
I know.
And that that rule was correct. I know. Or that adjudication of that was correct. It can't be.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Ben Miller and Maxi Gorn example?
I know, Tim. We can't live in a game where you expect that player to do what Ben Miller- Didn't do.
You know what Diesel Williams would have done back in the day, don't you? Diesel would have been getting tagged, as he does every day, getting tagged. He just would have kept running his player through the mark. You know, that's how smart Diesel Williams is. And imagine if, you know, back in our day, the player just had to go, oh, Shorty Denham.
Kevin Sheedy sat me down for a week and said, I can't leave Greg Williams' side.
Chapter 4: What are the arguments for and against the Stand Rule?
I have to be inside his chair. I've got to be there. And Greg Williams runs past the thing and Shorty, Sean Denham goes, oh, no, I've got to stand the mark here.
Ever played Poison Ball? Did you ever play poison ball as a kid? Yes, I did. That was the George Ward law situation. Yeah. You're going to stand. Yeah. Right? And he almost put his neck out. He almost broke his ankle. Broke his ankle, put his neck out, trying to swivel around and stand on. See, we don't want farcical situations on the football field. And that's what that leads to. It's unnatural.
It's a farce. It's an unnatural action in the game, Mike. And it's opening our game up to all forms of criticism that we don't need to be levelling at the game and the rules.
Yeah. So that was there. So the arc now. So Swanee. And Swanee ticked it off, right? Here he is on the rail, Marshall. Let's have a listen.
Yes, it was. It was a mark. When you go through frame by frame, the ball doesn't completely cross the line. So the mark was right and then obviously he's kicked the goal post that. So, I mean, the issue, well, there's two issues. Was it right? Yes. Did it take too long? Yes, it took too long. So that was, as I said, 55 seconds. It took too long. And so we fixed that going forward.
That won't happen again.
They're my fault. I was looking for the other Ben Miller, but that also was interesting. No, that was wrong too.
Oh, he had a bad day yesterday, Sweeney. He did. He had the dark sunglasses on. I don't know whether he's got some eye treatment that he's going through at the moment. He had drops in his eyes or whatever. Maybe he couldn't see clearly. But that ball was not marked before the line. It was over the line. The control of the ball was over the line.
When did we allow in the game that you can actually ā bobble the ball from one side to the other, and then it's then deemed to be that you're in control of the ball. He's not in control of the ball.
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Chapter 5: How does umpiring affect the perception of the game?
I don't think we can be technology free. I don't.
We can't. We can't go back and say, okay, despite what everybody else around the world is doing in sports, using technology, we here in the AFL, here in little old Australia, down under, are not going to be using this in AFL football.
No, we can't. We've got to be better than that. We've got to acknowledge that technology is there and can make the game better if we use it properly. Right. And it would appear that other sports around the world have arrived at that place. Well, I don't know about that.
Why can't we? I don't know about that. Maybe it hasn't. I've told you about watching NBA. I've told you about watching NFL. Yeah, no, that's true.
When they introduced technology, I said, okay, this is going to be a problem for our game because I'm watching it unfold in other sports around the world where they sit there and they go over decisions for minutes sometimes, holding up the game, trying to get to our decision, and it's still inconclusive. That's right. But that- And they've got the better technology.
They've got better technology than what we have.
My take on that, though, is if it's inconclusive, just go, no, get on with it. Can't tell you. The technology's not helping us, so get on with it.
Yeah, but then we have a man error, which is, okay, there is a better angle, like the one that tipped the finger at the weekend. That's not used. And that's not technology's problem. That is a man error, a human error.
No, you're 100% right, which is why I asked Gerard and he said he's not doing it. Would you go into the Ark then and spend a day in there for us all on behalf of the football fan? Go and spend a day in the Ark and then you can come back and say, how come- What sort of treats did they have in there? What was the process- What sort of treats? What was the process of Griffin Logue-
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of technology in decision-making in footy?
Yeah, exactly. But that's like Clarko saying at the end of the game, oh, so be it, right? But that's not the conversation that Clarko would be having had that decided a grand final. No, had it decided a grand final, North Melbourne in a grand final, they can clearly see after they find this other vision that the ball has tipped his fingernail.
He's not accepting that, nor is anyone else in the world.
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