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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Breakfast with Gary and Tim.
It's alright. Good morning, everyone. Welcome. Thursday, June the 11th. It is great to have you with us. McCafe Menu. Try McCafe's new drinks, Rain. Sam Edmond today with all the news. George Samios, the wonderful world of wine. Corey Mabilio, champion data expert. Jamie Lee Price. Melvin Mavericks are flying, going to play in the finals this year. She's going to join us.
And potential Hall of Fame inductee. As I say, good morning to Tim Watson, the Wisp. Go, Whisper. Ah, can't say good morning to Tim Watson. Probably today's not quite the day to have these technical issues, but we shall push forward. It has been a big 24, 48 hours, as we all know, given the state funeral yesterday with Neil Danaher and emotional... An emotional day. Just apologies to everyone.
I'm told that Tim will be joining us in a slight second or so. He just can't get to us at the moment, but as I said, we are a day on from a state funeral that was held at the MCG yesterday, and it was held in the most extraordinary circumstances. I thought everyone that spoke spoke so beautifully. We were taken on a journey, a rollercoaster journey of Neil's life, Hamish McLaughlin, the MC,
held proceedings together, and then just a myriad of talkers that came through. And I think Neil's story's been so well told because he's been so brave and public in his fight against MND that I think there's people out there in the public and understanding and think they know him.
And I think that became even more to the point yesterday when we sat back and listened to the various people get up and talk about their wonderful lives and he's Wife Jan has been so extraordinarily brave over the journey. And then his children spoke so beautifully as well. And I think we might have Tim back. Welcome, Whisper.
Hi, good morning, Gary. Good morning, everybody. Yes, what a service that was, Gary. What a service that was yesterday. I know. It was...
Yeah, it was two hours, Tim. I reckon I could have sat there for another four hours and listened to people talk about Neil Dennehy. And I know him and you know him better than I do, but I know him well as well. But there are things that I just sat there and smiled at yesterday and laughed along with and then... I don't know, when the kids get up and talk, that's when it gets me.
And you hear a son get up and talk about his dad and the fact that he's not going to be there. The emotion was unbelievable. And the reverence within the people, the community that came out and turned out for him was so profound.
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Chapter 2: What reflections are shared about Neale Daniher's funeral?
The four children and Jan just spoke magnificently. And that is a very difficult thing to do, get up there and speak. They'd written whatever they needed to say. It was so eloquent. It was so touching. And it actually, you're right, like it summarized their relationship with their father, though, too.
Like we'd talk so much about what he'd done to MND and how he'd united people around a cause and that type of thing. But to hear it from their own children and the love and the respect that they had and the lessons that he taught them and the way that he conducted himself as a family man, too.
It was just a great insight to this other side of Neil Danaher that other people probably, a lot of people hadn't actually been part of or hadn't had an insight into.
That is exactly right. So you can join us this morning early if you want. We're just rambling along. Been a big 24, 48 hours. So share your thoughts and memories of Neil. 043 98 11 16. You can jump on the line 1300 736 736. If you watched the service or you're at the service yesterday, then we're happy to talk about it.
I did want to speak to you about one thing, though, that came and I was actually after the service yesterday, I drove back down to Shore and I was thinking about this all the way down.
And that was it came across loud and clear how tough he was, how brutally honest he was, not just with the feedback that he might have given players that played for him from time to time or other people that interacted with him outside his family, but also his family too, right?
And it begged the question, like Susie and I were talking about this in the car after the service, about that love that that group of Melbourne players had for him, which was expressed through Hoppy and through Nita.
And I'm sure there are other players at Melbourne that maybe at that time thought that he might have been too brutal, he might have been too hard, but they talked about the resilience and resilience. The thing was it flew in the face of how we think about treating or how players are coached today.
And I kept thinking, so what is it that's different about humans now that maybe isn't or wasn't so apparent about humans of yesteryear? And the connection that he still had about delivering – direct, honest feedback that wasn't necessarily what people wanted to hear. And it must have been the most common way that he delivered a message. But how did he bring them people back to him then?
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Chapter 3: How did Neale Daniher's life and legacy impact those around him?
aspect as well I said I'm not sure if Tough Love's still there but he delivered Tough Love and delivered it in such a way that and then the I think the important thing after that is the follow up And there's no good, you can't keep dealing it out if you don't follow up and make sure that it's been delivered, make sure it's been received.
If there's any issue with it, then prove, you know, show that you're open to discussing it. Now, sometimes you're just not. And that's what happens in a, in a leadership, you know, like from a senior, I never, like I would query coaches and I could argue with coaches, but if the coach in the end said no. You're playing in the back pocket for the next six weeks.
Then that's what you did You played and you can argue case you get the bait it and fight for you what you want but in the end you defer to the person in charge and
But somewhere in that, somewhere in that, he must have shown genuine care for them as people somewhere along the line because you can't just deliver harsh messages to people and be completely and brutally honest all the time if at the same time that person that's receiving that message doesn't really believe that it's coming from the right place of birth.
concern for you as a competitor, as a sportsman, and or a person? Because the relationship that he developed with that group of players, and Jan said sometimes he thought that she thought, like an offhanded remark, but sometimes she thought that maybe he loved that Melbourne group of players more than anything. And then the players get up there, and you actually sense that too.
There's a genuine... Love and affection for a coach. And it was one of the most beautiful things that I took away from the service yesterday, that whole connection that he had with it. And the way that Hoppy and Nita spoke about him too.
Yep. And they maintain this relationship. And that's real. Regular catch-ups. And that's what Niti was saying. They'd have these catch-ups, these lunches and dinners, whatever the case. And he would get a message from Neil telling him exactly where everyone had to sit. exactly what they were going to talk about.
Yeah.
Put the agenda items on there. So he was a coach all the way through. But I mean, you can't do that unless you've built respect somewhere along the way. Correct. So, you know, he's, when he started coaching us, Um, you knew who he was, you knew, but he hadn't, he hadn't established himself. Like he, his footy career and his footy story has been well told and it was cut short.
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Chapter 4: What emotional moments stood out during the funeral service?
He was over in Western Australia. So he hadn't established his coaching credentials as much. But I'll tell you what, within, and this is what happens, within two or three days of walking into that place, you just look at him and went, yeah, he's the man in charge of our football club. He established that really early and built that respect. And then you went, okay, well, you lead and we'll follow.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know I was a little bit late to come online this morning, but I've had a pretty rough night. I've been up most of the night cancelling Matty Lloyd, obviously. Faggs couldn't remember his name yesterday. And look, I thought that he'd take it easily. I thought he'd take it comfortably and it wouldn't be something that bothered him too much. But anyway, he's right now.
We'll put him back on the path.
He's okay. When were you doing that, Faggs? And you and I spoke afterwards. We both thought the same thing. He's working into a zinger here. He's got a nice little build-up going beautifully.
I thought he was doing a bit. I thought, okay, this is funny. This is going to be funny. Where's he going with it? But he did figure his name yesterday briefly, which you can do sometimes when you step up to the microphone and you're not necessarily reading your notes. Hamish did a magnificent job yesterday, too. We should mention the fact that he spoke beautifully yesterday.
He pulled the whole thing together. Not an easy thing to do, but he did it seamlessly. He did it so thoroughly professionally as you'd expect him to do. His articulation, the words, everything just sort of flowed magnificently. So full credit to him and everybody that spoke yesterday, too. His old mate from over at WA told a couple of stories as well, which were fantastic. which were great.
Jan told him to take him down, basically. She said, I want you to talk, but I want you to don't hold anything back.
And Anthony Danaher, he spoke magnificently too. That was the first time I've ever really heard Anthony get up there and speak behind a microphone like that. But I thought that he just absolutely nailed it too. So full credit to everybody that got involved yesterday. And it was... It was sad.
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Chapter 5: How did Neale's family describe their relationship with him?
And then you think, as that commentator said, don't panic about that because we know he gathers himself. Look, when I say awful, he ran sixth. He didn't fire a shot. It looked like... I don't know anything about running, but he was slow out of the blocks. It won't stop you. Then he's on the bend, and I'm thinking right now he'll motor because he finishes so strongly. He just didn't motor at all.
Didn't pass anyone. He was probably nearly last on the bend and might have passed one or two. So maybe, you know what I'm thinking? Yeah. You're thinking what I'm thinking.
I know you are. You're thinking that Oslo is not his place. Weather, I was thinking. Yeah. He looked like he was cold. Was it gloomy? I don't know how cold it was. Was it gloomy looking? It was a bit gloomy.
It was a bit dark. It was the outside track. He's a sunshine man, if ever I've seen one. No, he finished sixth in the end. He ran 20.6 wind assisted, but he didn't. I don't think he'd be very happy, but if it's his debut, there's got to be room for improvement. Yeah. It's a little bit of a flattener. I thought I was going to be able to come on and break some news.
Yeah, but you know what it's like when you play at home or you play away. I mean, sometimes it takes you a little bit of time to actually get your away-type feet and understand what's required when you go on the road and, you know, you get up there in the morning and you go down to the hotel and you've got all that food laying out for him. Oh, he might have had it. Maybe he had a strip of bacon.
He might have done it at the buffet. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. We'll wait for the analysis from those who actually know what they're talking about, unlike us two, but he did look pretty flat.
Talking about the buffet, gee whiz, didn't you get into the bacon yesterday when we had a nice big farmer's sort of breakfast?
We had... The Dundas and Fawcett in Albert Park. I haven't eaten bacon for a month. Oh, crap. And I had some poached eggs and bacon. I thought I was sitting there with three pieces. Well, then I finished off a bit of Nicky's. I was a bit peckish. It would have been a big day. You were.
I put my hands under the table at one stage. I was going to start nibbling on my fingernails.
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Chapter 6: How did Neale Daniher's coaching style differ from modern approaches?
I remember on one occasion after COVID, I went through a period where I wasn't exactly keeping my health and fitness in check.
I played my first game back in local footy after lockdowns and admittedly I wasn't in the best shape. As always, I went over to Dad's place the next day and we started talking about the game. Straight away he asked, how much are you weighing in at these days?
I said, yeah, look, tough lockdown, probably a little bit thicker than I used to be, but, you know, I'm an inside midfielder now, a bit of a Paddy Cripps build. I could see him grinning as he typed out his response. When the machine finally spat it out, he said, well, you're not Cripper, and Cripper's not fat.
That was Neil's son, Ben, who that was really my favorite moment of the whole two hours is because it just summed him up. Beautiful, supportive. The son goes around to talk to dad about his game. So that speaks to a great healthy relationship. And the first thing he says is, what are you waiting in that? Reminiscing, reminiscing. There's lots going on.
I'll tell you what, from a sporting point of view, you've got the Western Bulldogs in Adelaide, Marvel Stadium tonight at 7.30, but earlier than that today at 10.30, Game 4, the Spurs versus the Knicks at the Garden. The Knicks lead 2-1. And then over the weekend, the World Cup kicks off and Australia play Turkey on Sunday at 2 o'clock. I'm starting to get my head around the World Cup.
I'm starting to get a bit more excited about it all. I'm barracking for Australia. I don't think we're going to win. I'm obviously backing for Australia. I don't think we're going to win. So then you've got to have another team. And? I think I'm going for Viva La France.
Oh, come on. What? Just because you spent a little bit of time in Gay Paria over the last couple of years.
I bought a Paris Saint-Germain jumper. They won the Champions League. I feel a bit close to them. Who are you going for? If Australia don't win, who are you going to throw your sizable support behind? I'm happy to go head-to-head with my boys, with my boppy. Is that his name? Who?
Where are they ranked, actually? Right up there. They're about third favorite or second favorite. Right. Who are you going for? No, I wanted to ask you another question before that. When did they go from turkey to turkey eye? You know how the pronunciation now, the spelling of turkey has changed, and they're turkey eye, not turkey window. What do you mean they're turkey eye? They're Turkey Eye.
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Chapter 7: What is the concept of tough love in coaching and its relevance today?
T-U-R-K-I-Y-E is the correct way to spell turkey.
You still pronounce it turkey, don't you? No, no, it's turkey eye. Okay, I'm not even going to have a laugh at that. If that's what you're saying, I'll accept it until someone tells me differently. So Australia are playing turkey eye, are they?
Yes, they are. I'll be corrected on the pronunciation. No, well, you said that pretty... It's Tor-kee-ee. Tor-kee-ee. Oh, that's different than Tor-kee-ee. Well, okay, well, I've been corrected. It's Tor-kee-ee. What, like Tor-kee? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, not Tor-kee. It's Tor-kee-ee.
A little bit of a Y-E on the end. Can we get someone on to actually pronounce it for me, please? Turkey-ay. Actually, it's – well, hang on a minute. So you've gone with Turkey, Turkey, Turkey-ah. Get someone – let's get someone on the line to say it.
Pronounce Turkey – that's from Khalil, our mate out there. Turkey-ay. Turkey-ay. Turkey-ah. No, no, no. Turkey-ay. Turkey-ay. Turkey-ay. Turkey officially changed its English name to Turkey A in June 22.
The name was initiated by the Turkish government to better represent the nation's culture and values and to disassociate the country's international image from the bird of the same name and negative dictionary definitions.
So we've got to go with Turkey A. And Jack says, boys, stick to AFL. You honestly don't have a clue about soccer. This is a hard listen. It's going to be a long morning. Thanks for that, Jack. We don't know much.
Good feedback, Jack. Thank you.
We don't know much about soccer.
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