Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Breakfast with Gary and Tim.
In this hour, Tom Papley from the Sydney Swans will join us after the 8.30 news, but from now until then, we can dedicate our show to whatever you like. We haven't really ripped into the Carlton stuff. It went all day yesterday, but you can do it now. Unfortunately, the temper text machine's down, which has been down all morning.
It's kind of... No, no, I don't like it, because I like to monitor what's happening and whether it's resonating, but I have enjoyed not being abused this morning. You never get a... Oh, we copped the odd one that just wants to argue for the sake of arguing. I quite enjoy seeing where the attitudes are at.
extraordinarily, the last text that we received this morning, I don't know whether you shut it down after this or not, was great story with Brownie last night. Gary, well done. That's from Mac down there in Tassie.
Chapter 2: What led to Michael Voss's departure from Carlton?
It was a great, it was powerful. It was emotional. It was illuminating. It was raw. It was all those things. And the great thing about it all is that John O'Brown is on the mend.
Yeah, and Liam sent this. I wanted to mention this. He said he enjoyed last night. My wife and I were in tears. I've been through it similar with my mum two months ago. So Liam, hopefully it gave you a bit of peace there last night. Righto, let's have a listen. This was Michael Voss. He did the interview with AFL media, Damien Barrett.
The reason why he decided to confront the situation and step down as coach of Carlton.
It was on shaky ground and the inevitable was starting to become clearer. But the fighter in you and the competitor in you wants to, you know, take that as far as you possibly can. But no, look, I think during the week last week was the first time I just sort of sat with a result week before and
thought about where the group was at, where the club currently was, and maybe where they needed to go. And just when thinking about that more deeply and reflecting on that, I felt like it was time to elevate those conversations.
So he sat down with his manager, Peter Blucher, on Thursday, had the discussion, and then with Chris Davies, he's up in Brisbane, ready to coach Friday night, calls Chris Davies into or down to the lobby, sits down, has a coffee and says, nah, this is it. Did you find that process a little different than what you thought would happen?
Like you make the decision to resign on the day that you're going to coach your last game?
No, I don't think it's a snap decision. I think it's a build-up over a period of time.
There's no right or wrong, but I just found it strange that you told him on the day of the game. Maybe you've told it early in the week and said, look, I'll coach this Friday and that'll be it. But at lunchtime on the day of the game, I found it a little unusual. There's no right or wrong.
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Chapter 3: How did Michael Voss's coaching tenure impact Carlton's performance?
And then it just fell apart dramatically. So he's had a good crack at it, has had a really good runway being a senior AFL coach. It just hasn't quite worked out for him.
No, true. How do you think the conversation went? They've got to move on. They move on really quickly. The conversation that happened, I would assume it was Graham Wright and also Chris Davies sitting down with Josh Fraser and outlining to him or asking him whether or not he wanted to be the caretaker coach for the rest of the year.
What do you think the instruction is for Josh Fraser going forward with this group?
Well, I had this down and I wanted to test our audience. What do you want Josh Fraser to do? And effectively, he's got a free swing at it. That's the way I look at it. He's got a free swing for 14 weeks to find out every single bit of what's on their list.
Okay, that's a little bit different than the question I asked you, though, because I think there's a directive from the football club. What would that directive be? Do you think Carlton want to win games now? Do you think they want to be successful now for the rest of the year?
I don't know if we're as an organisation ready to answer that question because the short answer is they don't need to win games. Do they want to win games? They shouldn't really want to win games. Well, then you get into the argument about winning culture and what sort of precedent are you setting for a club if you set themselves up not to win, just to compete but not necessarily to win.
So I don't think that can come into the conversation at all. Privately, between the power brokers, they can say to Josh, listen, we want you to explore the absolute limits of what this list is. And... Josh can take that however way he wants, but I think the underlying answer there is throw this team around, bring these young kids in, give them opportunity, find out what we're capable of.
By the end of this 14-week period, we want to be in no doubt about what's available to us and in no doubt about what we need to add to the group going forward. And if there's no wins attached to that, then that's just... That might be positive. We don't say that out loud in this industry because we're not ready for it.
No, but you can engineer that, can't you? Of course you can. By the directive that he's been given, he can engineer that and say, okay, well, Josh, we're not going to judge your performance on wins and losses. What we really want to judge is we want to know that you're going to handle these young players and you're going to try and develop as many young players as you possibly can.
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Chapter 4: What were the emotions surrounding Voss's resignation?
Because everyone knows in a footy club that the senior coach gets his way in the end and that's how it should be. But there would be people sitting there going, no, I want this. I'm sure that this bloke can be here. I'm sure this guy is capable of doing this. I know his senior coach hasn't had enough confidence in him, but I'm going to give him a chance. I want to see that if I'm a Carlton fan.
I want to see some change.
Well, you know, some of what we've already seen this year has been great from Carlton. Like some of the first half performances, and then they've died out. So if you take the best of what you've already seen, you really, for me, you just want to see it prolonged because it's there. Like there's been so many times when I've looked at Carlton, I thought, you know, this is a really good team.
Like they're all on the same page. They're in sync. They know exactly what they're doing. Their ball movement's good. They've got great organisation skills. with their back line, their midfield and their forwards, but it hasn't lasted long enough. That's what you want to see.
You want to see them deal with the expectation that comes with putting together a good half a footy. The expectation is that you build on it and you're able to withstand pressure and come back, and they haven't been able to do any of that. So it'll be an interesting time. We'll take a break. We'll come back. Tommy Papley from the Sydney Swans, not too far away.
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