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SEN Breakfast

Your calls, the 12th Man, Melbourne's next step (5.05.26)

04 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the latest updates on Carlton's performance?

0.031 - 4.077 Gary

Breakfast with Gary and Tim. Oh, boy.

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4.638 - 22.484 Sam Edmund

Sam Edmund, just the one of him, is going to join us out of 8 o'clock with all of the news, and then we've got questions and outnows to get to. A lot of the issues we haven't got to, but Tim seems to, with his recollection of Kevin Sheedy's dossier on opposition players, he may have upset the Italian ambassadors called through.

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26.089 - 26.87 Mario

Trevor! Why did you do that to me, guy?

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26.89 - 27.591 Tim

I'm one of them. I did that to you.

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27.571 - 37.927 Sam Edmund

I hope that's not fruity. We put our whole life in the hands of Fat Fingers, our producer. He reckons he speaks Italian.

37.967 - 43.275 Gary

Mario speaks Italian too. He's out there in North Carlton. Good morning, Mario. Good morning, Gary and Tim.

43.416 - 66.133 Mario

Hey, Mario. Tim, on the 14th of June 1982, I was hanging off just below the windsock there at Napier Street, or I was at the back there, just under 34,000, Queen's birthday, God bless Her Majesty, the head of MI6. But let me tell you one thing. You had about 24 possessions, but that day...

66.704 - 89.079 Mario

Weasley, Victor Lofts, Kevin Hall, Peter Kerr and Ian Stanley Collins identified Carlton's next Ruckman, Justin Madden. They went to his house that night. I'm serious. They went to his house that night in downtown Essendon, wherever he lived. I don't know. It was just off. Yeah, not far from the ground. Yeah, not far. Like the hall or St. Columbus where Jennifer Kite went. You know what I mean?

89.48 - 110.519 Mario

And they signed him up because they knew that the Rhodes Scholar had only one more year left in him because he obviously wanted to take over the Socialist Party there with John Kerry. Let me tell you one thing. You know what he had that day? He had 28 possessions. Sorry, 28 hit-outs. You had about 24 possessions. Two behinds. I remember he was still wearing the red shorts.

Chapter 2: How did Mario's insights shape the conversation about the 12th Man?

113.665 - 114.306 Mario

Four goals.

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114.487 - 125.199 Gary

Did he really? Little Wayne Otway from Perth. The ranger. Yeah. Yes, the Ranger. So that was the day that they approached Justin Madden. What a coup that was for the Blues.

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125.42 - 128.582 Sam Edmund

Mario, I think I heard you yesterday suggesting Harry should go in the ruck.

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129.523 - 142.875 Mario

That's exactly right, Gary. Exactly right. Hey, Harry Mackay, who is John James' number, 1961 Brownlee medalist, if Michael Voss was smart, what was he doing at three-quarter time? He was sending an email to Lee Matthews.

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142.895 - 145.017 Tim

You've used all your good stuff yesterday, Mario.

145.037 - 145.818 Mario

You need fresh stuff, Mario.

145.838 - 147.319 Tim

You've got to get some fresh stuff.

148.16 - 159.492 Mario

Mate, I'm over this, mate. I'm 56 and we haven't won a flag since 1995. And you know who's going to win the flag this year? Who? The Dockers.

159.512 - 172.727 Sam Edmund

Yeah, they might. They're not bad. Hey, good to talk to you. Always good, Mario. I feel like I know Mario well. He's a regular contributor on SEN. I don't think Ari's a ruckman, Mario, though. I'll take exception with that. I'm not sure he's going to play in the ruck. Paul's in Rosanna. Go, Paul.

Chapter 3: What challenges does Melbourne face in their next steps?

257.459 - 275.876 Sam Edmund

Hopefully so, too. And look. That was a tough press conference he did. He needed a month off. He got asked a very difficult question about CEOs that had footy experience, and he didn't quite nail it. So he's going to have a week off, a month off, rather, and he'll be back to take over from the interim of interim.

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275.896 - 287.466 Gary

So the question is, okay, we know that he likes to tan himself, Cookie. Will he be taking some Cobram Estate olive oil to rub into his lovely skin? He's going to bathe in it.

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287.446 - 292.094 Sam Edmund

to get himself a nice tan by the time he returns. He's going to have a bath.

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292.114 - 303.615 Gary

Did you find this a little bit unusual that the caretaker CEO is going away four weeks? A little. Who steps in as the caretaker of the caretaker?

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303.595 - 325.187 Sam Edmund

I mean, Cozzy's going to be the first playing CEO of Mel. No, Ned Guy's going to be the caretaker. Yeah, it was a little strange, but it doesn't worry me too much, Whispers, as long as they get some stability in that position long term. It didn't affect the performance on the weekend. We haven't talked about that. What a game of footy that was.

325.468 - 330.936 Sam Edmund

This is a really interesting part of what happens now. What are you laughing at?

331.102 - 344.413 Gary

Is it okay if I read this out? Morning, Gary and Tim. There's a male Italian army Barbie doll. When you open the box, he comes out with his hands up in the air, surrendering. Oh, you think that's funny?

344.934 - 347.44 Sam Edmund

Fran from Hawthorne will come for you.

347.673 - 349.677 Gary

I love the Italians. No one loves the Italians.

Chapter 4: How did past players influence Carlton's current strategy?

349.697 - 357.912 Gary

You are part Italian. I have got Italian blood. I've done the search. I have got a little bit of- So you can poke a bit of fun at them. I can. Good naturedly. I'm talking about my own people here.

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357.952 - 376.606 Sam Edmund

Good naturedly. You and fat fingers can talk about it. No one loves pasta more than I do. No, that game up in Sydney was a great game. It was great to watch, wasn't it? Oh, it was brilliant. This is what I'm interested in next for Kingy, because the Swans are going to be there. Hopefully the Demons can stay in the top eight.

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377.988 - 395.079 Sam Edmund

The layer of defence, how he incorporates the next layer is what interests me, because I'm watching the game thinking, this is beautiful to watch, but I'm not sure we're going to beat the Swannies in a shootout. Our defensive numbers aren't as good as theirs. But Melbourne still managed to kick 117 points against the best defence in the comp. So that's a massive tick.

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396.081 - 406.903 Sam Edmund

So what I'm interested now, will he wait, do you think, until the end of the year and spend the six months of the off-season now instituting a more defensive layer?

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406.943 - 418.138 Gary

I hope not. I hope not. We'll have to add some of them. The best form of defence is to attack, Gary, is to attack, attack, attack. How'd they get back into that game? They didn't go into some defensive mindset.

418.278 - 423.666 Sam Edmund

They attacked and they attacked and they attacked. No, I don't want to lose that. But the Swans- They'll get better at other stuff. This is my point.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of Harry Mackay's role in the ruck?

423.706 - 431.796 Sam Edmund

The Swans are number one in attack, which is what you were talking about, but they're number one in defence. So that's the next part of the Melbourne evolution, which is not going to happen straight away.

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431.836 - 432.617 Gary

They'll still evolve.

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432.878 - 437.704 Sam Edmund

Yeah. But they've got to tighten up on the back end. But it was a really entertaining game of footy, wasn't it?

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437.684 - 456.58 Gary

Yeah, it was. Has Cookie left for Croatia yet or not, do you think? I don't know. I'm not sure. What's the great place that people visit in Croatia? Dubrovnik. Yeah, Dubrovnik. I don't know. I made that up. No, there's a little beachside place there. Are you the traveller amongst us? That's where he'll be going. I can guarantee you that's where he'll be going.

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456.86 - 457.161 Sam Edmund

Yeah. Yeah.

458.187 - 461.497 Gary

Split. The split. That's where we'll be going. Nice. The split.

461.517 - 470.302 Sam Edmund

I'm watching our Fox Sports News at the moment. There's a big banner, breaking news, breaking news, breaking news. What's happened? I won't go to the break until they actually say what it is. Will?

470.483 - 471.546 Gary

No. On a world scale?

471.566 - 474.514 Sam Edmund

I'll go to the break and I'll give you the breaking news on the other side.

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