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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello and welcome to Toast, the BBC Radio 4 series which celebrates amazing business ideas that promised a lot to customers yet somehow still ended up toast. I'm the BBC business journalist, Sean Farrington. With me is our resident entrepreneur, Sam White. Sam, as you well know, has no idea what's coming up. So her response and conclusions, they're off the cuff. They're authentic.
She's hearing what you're hearing and coming to conclusions off the back of all that. This time... We're off to the movies, hearing how one of Britain's best-known businessmen tried to shake up the cinema industry. Sam, hello.
Hey, hey, how are you?
I'm well, thank you. Got a few questions for you. Do you like going to the cinema?
I do.
Good. Have you ever been to Milton Keynes?
I have been to Milton Keynes, although not to Milton Keynes Cinema.
Oh, well. What were you doing back in May 2003?
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Chapter 2: What innovative cinema concept did Stelios Haji-Iannou introduce?
No, it's not. No, it's EasyJet. Yes.
No! So, yeah, this is the Easy Group, EasyJet. There were businesses galore over the years under that Easy name. The most famous parent, of course, being EasyJet. So this was called... EasyJet Cinema?
No!
OK.
You aren't getting in the marketing team. This was easy cinema. You were nearly there. Easy cinema. And so, Sam, this one, it was a bit of a flash in the pan. I'm guessing you haven't heard of this one.
I have not heard of this one. Were the seats too small?
Well, let us see exactly where the idea came from. I've been speaking to Stelios, the EasyJet and Easy Cinema, as it happens, founder. We're going to hear that interview in a bit. But first, let's bring in our other guests. Angela Chan is Professor of Creative Industries at Royal Holloway University of London.
But back in 2003, she was a BBC producer and director who made a fly-on-the-wall TV documentary about the launch of Easy Cinema. Angela, hello. Welcome to Toast.
Hello, Sean. Hello, Sam. Hey.
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Chapter 3: How did EasyCinema aim to disrupt the traditional cinema model?
Stelios told me the idea for Easy Cinema started after he spoke with someone running Odeon Cinemas in the UK. They questioned whether the EasyJet business model might work for the movies.
EasyJet took prices of flying in Europe from £100 to £50 in round numbers, one-way tickets. more than twice as many people decided to take a flight. So the overall pie, if you like, grew. So Isiget found customers and Ryanair found customers without needing to take away the customers from British Airways. The business of going to a movie theater is similar to an airline in a way.
It has a fixed cost. It has a number of seats. You have to book them. You can choose a time and a location. The actual movie, which one do you want to see? Like a destination, if you like, for the airline business.
Why were you keen to get into the cinema industry? What made you think, right, this is going to be the one for 2003?
I think the business of movie theaters was a combination of there was a movie theater there, cheap, available. Odeon told me, you can rent this cinema for three years for relatively low rent to test all these weird and wonderful things and theories you have. And the other thing I realized is it's extremely PR-friendly.
People are fascinated by movies, you know, the whole glamorous business of watching movies. And therefore, I think pound for pound, that little experiment in Milton Keynes generated more free PR for us than any other experiment I've done. You know, they gave us a lot of publicity, some of it positive, some of it not so positive, but you know what?
I'm also believing there is no such thing as bad publicity. So the brand always emerges stronger. The other thing I did, perhaps in a typical Stelios fashion, I made a split second decision. I said, people seem to be complaining about the cost of the popcorn, for example. So, you know, I'm not going to spend time trying to find a cheaper way of making popcorn. Let's take the popcorn out.
Let's say there is no popcorn in the cinema and see what happens.
Stuart, I just wonder, Stelios in there called it a little experiment. Did it feel like that to you, having to carry it out? Yes. I mean, all the businesses we were looking at at any given time were experimental. They were, let's try it and see. And if it works, great, we can scale it. And if it doesn't, we can hopefully gracefully back out.
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Chapter 4: What challenges did EasyCinema face in its early days?
Yeah, there were reports at the time, Easy Cinema saying there was 2,400 tickets sold in advance of the opening and...
The Press Association was saying that it had this quote of an Easy Cinema spokesperson saying, seen in the context of a small market like Milton Keynes with an entirely new online system of booking for consumers who appear to be planning at least a week in advance, Easy Cinema considers such a volume of sales to be promising.
Do you remember emotions of it being promising, Stuart, that it could actually be that you were onto something? You know, the hardest thing with any of the businesses we set up then, day one interest, you know, there's going to be enthusiasm for it. But the reality is over the coming months is when you really find what works, what doesn't. Easy Cinema's first low cost movie theatre was open.
It had caused a stir, was off to this promising start. Stelios had already transformed the airline industry. So what could stop his new cinema business from taking off?
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So on Easy Cinema's opening weekend, the big movie everyone wanted to see was the sequel to The Matrix, Matrix Reloaded. Good film. Well, there was a bit of a problem, Sam. Guess where it wasn't being screened? It was not being screened at Easy Cinema. So the UK's film distributors had refused to supply it. Mark Beatty told us why.
Back then, he was chief executive of the Film Distributors Association and was among those who'd met Stelios to discuss Easy Cinema's plans.
We were sceptical, I think, from the outset. We wanted it to work. There is no benefit for distributors in people not seeing the films they're releasing. So the only money that the film distributor receives is a share of the ticket price. That's it. Which is why, in principle, any film distributor is going to be keen to do business with any cinema operator.
Because the only way they're getting any income at all is when tickets are sold to see the film that they're releasing. It just doesn't work to say, well, we will take a small share of the box office. If the customer is paying 20 pence per ticket, the VAT would be four pence on that. You'd have 16 pence. The distributor might get, you know,
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