Chapter 1: What is the murder case in Howland Township about?
This week in Howland Township, Ohio, a popular local businessman is brutally murdered in his own home, leading detectives to his estranged wife, whom he still lives with, several of her boyfriends, and a treasure trove of letters. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo.
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Do you remember those guys that were like on the Christian channel and they would like rip phone books and like bend things and be like, I love Jesus after they did it. You don't remember those guys? They had like all this crazy power stunts that they would do, jacked, steroided up lunatics. Jesus did it. But that's what they go, oh, thank you, Jesus, after they would like lift a giant thing.
It's the – and then afterwards, of course, it all fell apart and there's some scandal involved because obviously. It was a grift. It was a lie. Well, I mean at the time, who knows, but it turned into something weird. And then for Small Town Murder, it's internet salad time, everybody. Here we go.
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Chapter 2: What are the key details about Howland Township?
So about five grand over the national average. Very average. Median home cost, $181,500. It's not so bad. There's a one in front of this. And this person said, real estate's outrageous.
Outrageous.
Outrageous. So if we've convinced you, you know what? You'd like to live in a Midwestern small, boring town. We have for you the Howland Township, Ohio Real Estate Report. Okay, your average two-bedroom rental here is $790, which is... Very affordable. $500 less than the national average. Extremely affordable. That's like 19 or, you know, 2003 prices. That's not bad.
Here is house number one, four-bedroom, two-bath. Okay. 1,344 square feet. It's a brick square. It just looks like a big brick block.
They got four bedrooms out of that. It's impressive.
You got to squeeze. I had a 1,400 square foot house with four bedrooms. Did you? They're pretty small. Yeah. They're carved out pretty small. Those have got to be eight by eight, right? Yeah. One of them was a good, two of them were a good size, and two of them were pretty small. Two of them you could have combined and made a third, basically. So, yeah, this is brick. It doesn't look that great.
It looks a little tad bit run down. Not terrific. Built in 1925, so it's old, close to a lot of other houses. $99,900, though. Not bad. It's livable. The inside isn't torn to pieces. It's a livable house with four bedrooms for $100,000.
2001 prices. That's not bad.
Not bad, no. Here is a four-bedroom, two-bath, 2,052 square feet. It's done a little bit more recently on the inside than the other one, but you've got the gray laminate floors, and it's... You know, they redid the gray cabinets. They redid everything very neutral to make it sell. A little two-story house built in 1918. So an old house, again, $129,900 for that. Again, pretty cheap.
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Chapter 3: What events lead to the police investigation?
Yeah.
Okay. Robert is working a closing shift at the Youngstown Terminal. He's by himself in charge there doing whatever. There's a bus driver named Jim McCoy, who I can only assume is an ex-convict. Maybe not. He saw Robert there at 4.30 in the afternoon working by himself. All right. And he sees him doing that. And shortly after 4.30...
This is that McCoy, the driver, just left Youngstown, drives his bus to the Warren Greyhound Terminal, the other one that they run. And there, McCoy sees Donna with a young black male who is Nate. Nate's a young black male. And these two don't look like a couple. Let's just say that. No. She looks like an older white woman and he looks like a young black guy. They don't look like...
They don't look like the most like, oh, yeah, those two are probably together, like as a couple. It just doesn't look like it. You know what I mean? At all. Looks like a guy that she's helping out. Well, I don't know, like adopted son maybe or like one of her son's friends or.
Some sort of ward of, yeah.
Possibly one of her grandchildren's, you know, father.
I don't know.
Something. It's interesting. So. Yeah. He sees them together. And now the man identified himself to the bus driver as Nathaniel. Okay. Nate's full name. Oh, he's going by Nathaniel, huh? What's his formal? He's going bus station formal right now. Yeah.
He's going what's on the driver's license. Well, state ID.
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Chapter 4: What details emerge about the murder weapon and crime scene?
Or already, yeah.
Yeah. They also, one to the chest, one to the back. The shot to the head was the fatal one. Gunshot residue on the body indicated the head wound was inflicted at close range. So they said the muzzle of the gun very close to... The head went off. In addition to the bullet wounds, Robert had lacerations and abrasions on his left hand and on his head. So it looks like he was fighting as well.
He was fighting, yeah. They're consistent with a struggle, so he definitely fought. The laceration on his left hand between the thumb and index finger was interesting because it would show that this is crazy. They just found a wound at first on there. Then when they went through it, they figured out that the bullet went through the- Went through the webbing. Webbing and into his head.
Chapter 5: How do the detectives interpret the evidence found at the scene?
That's the top of the headshot went through his- What? So he had his hand up.
Yeah.
Top of the head. So he saw it coming, knew it was coming, and tried to put his hand up over it, and a bullet went through the webbing. Jesus Christ. I mean, if it hit a bone, it might have helped him. It might have saved him. If it hit one of the hands of the bone, it might have deflected it a little bit here. They're saying it is either a 38 or a 357.
I don't know. That's going to stop it.
No, but it could – bullets will deflect off bones like crazy. That's a crazy round though.
Oh, it is.
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Chapter 6: What incriminating letters are discovered in the investigation?
It's got a lot of powder. They deflect off bones a lot. That happens an awful lot. 38? It happens tons I've seen in autopsy shit, deflecting off bones and things like that. Bones can be harder than we think sometimes and bullets don't always break them. Sometimes they'll – It also could have slowed it down enough to where— There's just so much powder behind a .38 and a .357.
Yeah. They just move so fast.
I'm not sure if at that close of range it would have mattered. Put it that way.
That's a great point, too. From 10 feet is a big difference from a foot. A little bit of slowdown. Yeah. But if it's coming right out the barrel— Right there to here, it probably wouldn't make much of a difference.
No, it probably would go right through whatever.
Even still, though— It's crazy that he knew to put his hand on top of his head.
Yeah.
That means they could see it. Yeah, he could see what they were doing.
To me, it sounds like head and chest. Hand-to-hand combat. Yeah, got shot in the head and the back and the chest, went down to his knees. Yeah. And then somebody did that while he tried to cover up. That's what it seems like to me. But, I mean, I could be completely wrong. I'm not a crime scene reconstructionist. I don't know. So the state investigators do have crime scene reconstructionists.
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Chapter 7: What events lead to the timeline of the murder?
So they also, the same day, overheard Donna ask Robert for $3,000, which she refused, and that was the day she gave Robert the dirty look and was, like, trembling and so mad. Right. December 11th is the day of the murder. Yeah. We'll run down late morning, early evening.
Donna and Nate continued to be seen around together from the, you know, carrying over from the day before, um, witnesses spot them at various spots throughout town during the day for 30 PM. Greyhound bus driver, Jim McCoy sees Robert working the terminal. McCoy leaves later on. Um, he drives his bus to the Warren terminal, sees Donna and Nathaniel together. Um,
And Nathaniel said to him that we are trying to get out of here. About 6 p.m., Donna and Nate go to the Red Lobster in Niles, Ohio. Shrimp Fest is back, everybody. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. The waitress at the Red Lobster will identify both of them. She said, yeah, it was the only old white lady, young black man couple I had the whole night. Real easy to remember.
Or really all week.
You know, I can't remember the last one, to be honest. Yeah, I don't remember the last one, to be honest. I can't even think of a business meeting. They're not in the same.
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Chapter 8: How do the police gather evidence against Donna and Nate?
It's a strange thing. Red Lobster. Red Lobster, they pay their bill at 6.43 p.m. and leave. Donna keeps the receipt. She's nice. She's a bookkeeper. That's what she does. About 9 p.m., Robert tells the on-duty security guard at the Youngstown bus terminal that he's leaving for the evening. He says, I'm going home. I'm out of there. So he takes off. About 9.30 p.m.,
A neighbor who lives on Old State Route 82, which is the road near Donna and Robert's house, observes Donna driving her car very slowly past the house alone with no other traffic on the road. Just creeping. Checking on it. Which is very weird. Case in the joint here. Case in her own joint. Her own joint.
And they think that maybe she was waiting for some kind of signal from Nate or just scoping it out because she's curious and stupid. Then 9.45 p.m. through 11.44 p.m., here we go. Now we have cell phone records pulled from the carriers showing that during this two-hour window between 9.45 p.m. and 11.44 p.m., Donna Roberts' two cell phones were calling each other almost constantly. Oh, really?
She's got two phones. Yeah. One cell phone was with Donna in her car. The other cell phone was the one that Nate, quote, borrowed from her. That's the one that she's public about here. So they were going back and forth, back and forth. And Donna had lied about that to the cops. He said, oh, I don't know. Nate just must have borrowed my phone.
Meanwhile, she was in contact with him over and over and over and over again for a two-hour period.
Oh, yeah, him.
Yeah. Yeah. She said she just went shopping that night. They said, well, what'd you shop for? She said, quote, just normal shopping. What? Food, shirts, fucking lawn equipment. What are you shopping for? Yeah, I don't know what that means.
The cell tower data, though, says that Donna and Nate were in two different locations, both moving, calling each other every few minutes for two straight hours over the time when Robert was being murdered in the kitchen. Wow. So he's like calling me like, yeah, he's not here yet. He's not here yet. Oh, shit. Here it comes. All his car. I'll call you back when I'm done.
His car's coming in the garage now and click. I don't know. Or maybe he's in the garage now.
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