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Small Town Murder

Medicine Made Me Murder - St. George, Utah

04 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the mystery surrounding the woman's disappearance in St. George, Utah?

0.993 - 38.118 James Pietragallo

This week, in St. George, Utah, a woman disappears from her home, leaving behind only blood and a bullet hole in a window, only to be found murdered in the worst possible way. The case unfolds into a national news story with the accused murderer using a very new, very unique defense. But will it work? Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay!

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38.619 - 43.788 James Pietragallo

Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo.

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Chapter 2: What unique defense does the accused murderer use in the case?

43.808 - 59.197 James Pietragallo

I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today on another insane, crazy, wild edition of Small Town Murder. It has, uh... It's been crazy lately. It's only going to get crazier, everybody. Here it goes. We have a wild story for you today.

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Chapter 3: What details are revealed about the setting and the characters involved?

59.618 - 76.35 James Pietragallo

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76.731 - 77.111 Unknown

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77.251 - 87.666 James Pietragallo

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87.646 - 89.668 Jimmie Whisman

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89.688 - 110.311 James Pietragallo

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110.371 - 113.234 James Pietragallo

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113.735 - 129.522 James Pietragallo

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129.542 - 130.444 Jimmie Whisman

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Chapter 4: What mental health issues are explored in relation to JC's actions?

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Close. We're trying again to be booze.

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3579.58 - 3582.964 Jimmie Whisman

I got the shakes like booze, but I can still remember everything.

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3582.984 - 3586.367 James Pietragallo

But I can still remember. I'm real sticky, too, for some reason. Everything's sticky.

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3586.728 - 3587.388 Jimmie Whisman

That's the same.

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3587.909 - 3610.597 James Pietragallo

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3610.617 - 3628.142 James Pietragallo

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Chapter 5: How does the narrative address the impact of Prozac on behavior?

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3708.284 - 3708.685 Jimmie Whisman

Yeah.

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3708.705 - 3724.568 James Pietragallo

Comes home, enrolls in Southern Utah State College, which is now Southern Utah University. That is in Cedar City, which we've done an episode on, Cedar City. Now he gets a degree in – want to guess his degree? Cedar City. Botany.

Chapter 6: What evidence links JC to the crime scene?

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Close. Zoology. Yeah. Zoology. He likes sciences and nature shit. That's what he's into.

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3732.174 - 3734.843 Jimmie Whisman

You can tell you what stage this fucking insect is in.

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3735.143 - 3739.59 James Pietragallo

Probably. I don't know. Well, I think that would be – that's a different thing than zoology.

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3739.61 - 3740.531 Jimmie Whisman

Like botany?

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Isn't that like – There's a separate thing that's an insect person.

3744.517 - 3744.717 Jimmie Whisman

All right.

3745.078 - 3751.026 James Pietragallo

Yeah, it's a totally separate – but I mean maybe zoology covers that. Sure. I know like an insect specialist is not a zoologist.

3751.046 - 3753.49 Jimmie Whisman

There's probably a vague universal coverage of that area.

3753.571 - 3765.248 James Pietragallo

Probably, yeah. You know everything from zebras to mosquitoes. You can figure it out, and you're good. So then, 83, 84, he goes to Tuba City, Arizona.

Chapter 7: What insights are shared about Prozac and its effects?

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I admit it. And I'm crazy. That's right. He says about Prozac, quote, I let it go right over my head and was pursuing an insanity case. I'd never heard of Prozac. I didn't know what it was. Really? Which is interesting for a coroner. You think that would be a guy in L.A. ? Yeah, well, you'd think that would be a substance that would come up in dead bodies once in a while. It would be that.

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7456.329 - 7461.78 James Pietragallo

You'd think Howard Hughes was mainline in that shit. I would hope so. Well, maybe not. That's why he was so weird.

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7462.1 - 7464.104 Jimmie Whisman

Well, he may have been dead before that anyway.

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7464.305 - 7466.789 James Pietragallo

Well, he was dead before 88. Was he dead in the 80s? 88, yeah.

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Chapter 8: What legal precedents are referenced in relation to involuntary intoxication?

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I thought he died in the 70s. Did he? Doesn't matter.

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7470.657 - 7472.2 Jimmie Whisman

He died on a plane, James.

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7472.703 - 7498.942 James Pietragallo

Isn't that crazy? He loved planes. So he learned about Prozac only because during talking to a buddy of his about this case, a pharmaceutical salesman who was a fraternity buddy of his mentioned it casually offhand. And this pharmaceutical sales rep he knew mentions at some point that, hey, this drug Prozac, I hear people do weird shit when they're on it. You should look into that.

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So then he said, oh, boy. So he interviewed mom, Connie Gardner. And when he's doing this, he's just building his insanity case. But he gets J.C. 's biographical material, says he's, you know, reads the dictionary, Eagle Scout, LDS mission, the whole deal. Then he hears about the Prozac and he said he called it his, quote, light bulb over the head moment.

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Yeah.

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He said that he heard from Connie that that J.C. was extra depressed on the day of the murder. And she said he took a double dose of Prozac. So that was then that was after he had heard.

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from his fraternity buddy who told him about that shit and he says hold on wait tell me about that pill again he says to his buddy in the pharmaceutical sales but I want to know more about that and he said that that's when he started thinking about building a defense on involuntary intoxication Oh. Involuntary. Now, here are some Prozac issues.

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And this, by the way, they've been talking about this for almost 40 years, and it continues to this day. And there are people who say they should ban all the SSRIs. That would be a disaster. Oh, you think there's a lot of... Unmitigated disaster.

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