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Something You Should Know

The New Science of Living Longer & How to Master the Fear of Being Judged - SYSK Choice

20 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What inspiring words from Mr. Rogers are shared for the holidays?

2.039 - 19.836 Mike Carruthers

Today on Something You Should Know, some wonderful words of hope and inspiration from Mr. Rogers, just in time for the holidays. Then the latest in the fight against aging, including the power of exercise. Exercise seems to be across the board beneficial.

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In fact, if you take an exercise mouse and you take blood plasma from that mouse and give it to a sedentary mouse, the sedentary mouse is much healthier and has better cognitive function. Also, the top five traits employers are looking for in new hires and the damage done by the fear of what other people will think.

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41.02 - 55.767 Michael Gervais

Most of us really understand what it feels like to not go for it, to play it safe and in return play it small so that you're not rejected. And so much so that I think it's one of the greatest constrictors of our potential.

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All this today on Something You Should Know.

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Ah, the Regency era. You might know it as the time when Bridgerton takes place, or as the time when Jane Austen wrote her books.

Chapter 2: How is science rethinking the concept of aging?

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The Regency era was also an explosive time of social change, sex scandals, and maybe the worst king in British history. Vulgar History's new season is all about the Regency era, the balls, the gowns, and all the scandal. Listen to Vulgar History, Regency era, wherever you get podcasts. Something you should know. Fascinating intel. The world's top experts.

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And practical advice you can use in your life. Today, Something You Should Know with Mike Carruthers.

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105.82 - 113.558 Mike Carruthers

Hello, welcome to Something You Should Know. This is the time of year when we speak of hope for the new year and helping others.

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Chapter 3: What groundbreaking research is being done to slow aging at a cellular level?

114.039 - 141.498 Mike Carruthers

So let me share some great words of hope and caring from the beloved Mr. Rogers from The World According to Mr. Rogers. He said, it takes strength to face our sadness and to grieve and to let our grief and our anger flow in tears when they need to. He also said, most of us, I believe, admire strength. It's something we tend to respect in others, desire for ourselves, and wish for our children.

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The really important great things are never center stage of life's dramas. They're always in the wings. He said, when I was very young, most of my childhood heroes wore capes, flew through the air, or picked up buildings with one arm. They were spectacular and got a lot of attention.

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But as I grew, my heroes changed, so that now I can honestly say that anyone who does anything to help a child is a hero to me. We live in a world in which we need to share responsibility.

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Chapter 4: What psychological factors contribute to the fear of judgment?

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It's easy to say, it's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my problem. Then there are those who see the need and respond. I consider those people my heroes. Those are the words of Mr. Rogers, and that is something you should know. Can you really significantly make it so that you live a lot longer than you would otherwise?

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In other words, is all this talk of diet and exercise and what seems like sacrifice really going to dramatically lengthen your life and keep you healthy? In short, is it all worth it? And if so, what should we be doing to get the most bang for our buck? Well, here to discuss and reveal the very latest research on aging is Colleen Murphy.

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She is a professor at Princeton University, director of Princeton's Glenn Foundation for Research on Aging, and author of the book, How We Age, The Science of Longevity. Hi, Colleen.

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Chapter 5: How does fear of what others think limit our potential?

242.938 - 268.157 Mike Carruthers

Welcome. Glad to have you on Something You Should Know. Hi, Mike. So right now, people live, well, I don't know, how long on average do people live today? Well, so Americans live into their 70s and early 80s. Different countries have higher life expectancies, like Japan. But we already know that people could be living longer if they were a little bit healthier.

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So I think it's a question of, are we talking about the people who are already doing everything to live as long as they possibly can, versus... you know, median or mean life expectancy, where there are a lot of people in the country who, you know, for various reasons, perhaps they are obese, maybe they have some metabolic disorders, cardiovascular diseases.

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So we could raise the average lifespan as well.

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Chapter 6: What practical strategies can we use to overcome the fear of judgment?

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And I think those are two different questions, you know, maximizing the lifespan versus getting everybody a little bit healthier. Yeah, but there is some sense, I think, whether right or wrong, that people have is, you know, when your number's up, your number's up. That you could live a pretty healthy life and die sooner than somebody who doesn't.

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So it can't all be up to your lifestyle and it's got to be other thing. Plus, you could get hit by a bus. So, I mean, you know, you never know.

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you know actually one of the reasons when i get asked what i do i never say because i i am very worried about getting hit by a bus the day after i say something like that so but your point is is well taken you know there's lots of stuff that we can do to improve lifestyle but absolutely there's a huge genetic component to how long we're going to live and of course there are people who are centenarians right those people have won the genetic lottery and a lot of them don't do any of the things that we would consider to be following a healthy lifestyle so there is a disconnect there

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And one of the points of doing work on longevity is not to just use the things that we already know now, but actually to push that further and to ask, well, if you tweaked this genetic pathway or that one, could you maximize a little further even despite having not won the genetic lottery? Could we push that to a better limit?

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So when we talk about aging, getting older and age, that aging is a natural result of getting older, right? Right.

Chapter 7: What personality traits do employers value most in candidates?

385.668 - 406.603 Mike Carruthers

Inevitable. Right. But I think when people often think about aging or talk about aging, they're talking about appearance rather than something else, which is not what you talk about necessarily. But can you really slow that down? I mean, people talk about slowing down the aging process. Is that a thing or is that just a way to kind of shorthand describe something?

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So in the lab, we use what's called a model system. That is, we don't do experiments on humans. What we try to do is take a small, in our case, what we're using is this little worm. It's a millimeter long nematode. And the reason we use that is because we know a ton about it at the genetic and morphological level. And so we use that to try to design experiments where we can understand better

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Can we do exactly what you're saying, slow down aging? And we definitely have pathways that we study where aging has been slowed. So when you say that you took this little worm and slowed down the aging process, what does that mean? Because time didn't slow down. So what makes you say that the aging process slowed down?

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All right, so I wish I could show you a movie, but this was observed back in 1993. Cynthia Kenyon at UCSF found that a single mutation, so just one nucleotide change in the entire worm's genome, resulted in the worm being much healthier, crawling around, basically acting like a young worm for much longer, and it lived twice as long.

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And so that's the base on which a lot of our work is set because we've been able to use that mutation. That worm was called a DAF2 mutant. We've been using that mutant and probing into like all the ways that it's better. And my lab found that those worms have better memory. They also slow down their oocyte aging so they can reproduce twice as long. And so this has been a great tool.

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So in fact, that animal does have slower aging because all the hallmarks of aging, that we can measure, or at least I think most of them, everything that we've seen, shows that they actually act like younger animals and live twice as long. Well, that's pretty cool. It is cool. It's my favorite thing.

Chapter 8: How can understanding our fears enhance personal and professional growth?

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How do you know it improves their memory? Do you give them little memory tests? And how do you get them to hold the pencil to take the test?

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Yeah, so that was actually what I started my lab doing, was trying to figure out, can we actually test memory in a worm? So this is much like what you would do with a dog. So we asked, what does a worm like? And it turns out the only thing they like is food. And they eat bacteria. So we developed a very simple assay, just like Pavlov's dog.

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Instead of ringing a bell and having steak and this dog salivating, instead now we take worms and we starve them for a little while. And then when we feed them again, We put on the lid of the plate, because they live in little agar dishes. We put on the lid of the plate just drops of an odorant called butanone. So this chemical is volatile. That means it like, you know, it can evaporate.

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And so the worm can smell it. And we already knew that the worms could smell this odor, butanone, but they don't care about it. To them, it's neutral. And that was really key for our assay because what we wanted to do is ask them, okay, now when they smell this odor, while they're eating, when they were hungry, Will they make an association between that smell and food?

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So the next time, you know, we can let them sit with this, carry out this learning process. And then after an hour of doing that, we take the worms off the plate and then we put them on a new plate with no food, but a little drop of butanone at one end and ethanol at the other end. And we ask them, okay, how much do they like the butanone?

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And so they will crawl to the butanone spot, whereas before they didn't care about it. Now they all go to that butanone spot. So we know that they've learned that association. And so if we just put the worms back onto a plate with food so they can forget, then we do that same test over and over again, we can assay their memory.

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Fundamentally, what is, well, scientifically from your perspective, what is aging? Because I think most of us think of aging as aging As time passes, things wear out. Things get old. Things don't work as well as they used to. That's aging. To me, that's aging.

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Well, I think we share that viewpoint because at a biological level, what's happening, I mean, this is why the aging field is so big and there's so many great questions to ask, but there's kind of everything at once, right? So you have cells that normally would be dividing. They divide nicely when we're young. When we get old, they do that less well.

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