Something You Should Know
Your Brain on Screens: Myths and Facts & How Your Body Keeps You Alive
Thu, 24 Apr 2025
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Chapter 1: How Does Hunger Affect What You Buy?
I think everybody knows that it's a bad idea to go grocery shopping when you're hungry because you're going to spend more money and buy more junk. But there's more to the story. Hi and welcome to this episode of Something You Should Know.
Not only does research support the fact that grocery shopping when you're hungry will cause you to spend more money, you probably have personal experience in that regard. But it turns out that shopping for anything on an empty stomach is a bad idea. Researchers at the University of Minnesota found that hungry people spent 64% more money at the mall on anything than shoppers who were not hungry.
Apparently, hunger kicks in that human desire to hunt and gather. And since few of us are hunting and gathering in the traditional sense, we go shopping instead. Also, be aware of the scent of cinnamon. It seems that that makes you want to spend more money. And if you're a woman, a University of Texas study found that women want to buy more stuff when they're ovulating.
So that's another time to avoid going shopping. And that is something you should know. A very big concern today is screen time. How much time you or your kids have a computer or a tablet or a phone screen in front of your face. And the assumption is that you're probably spending too much time looking at screens. And what you really need to do is cut back and spend less time with screens.
But what is too much time? What's the actual harm? Does screen time affect everyone the same way? What does the research say about how screen time impacts people? The answers to those questions just may surprise you. And here to reveal all this is Jacqueline Nisi.
She is a psychologist and assistant professor at Brown University, and she writes a popular weekly newsletter called TechnoSapiens, which provides tips to manage your screen time. Jackie has published over 50 peer-reviewed publications related to technology use. She's testified before U.S. congressional and state legislative committees on issues surrounding technology and mental health.
Hi, Jackie. Welcome to Something You Should Know.
Thank you so much for having me.
So you hear all the time, people talk about all the time about how we shouldn't be on screen so much, that, you know, get off your phone, you're on your screens too much and all that. Because why? Because what do we know are the real risks, the real dangers? We hear it's bad, but I never hear like how exactly is it bad?
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Chapter 2: What Are the Myths and Facts About Screen Time?
You know, people have very different reactions to the same experience on their screens. So there's a lot that goes into it. But when it comes to thinking about the risks of screen time, I would say there's two broad categories of risks.
One is just around the time spent and concerns that that time is getting in the way of other things that are important for our well-being, whether that's spending time in person with friends or family or spending time outside, being physically active. When screen time starts to really get in the way of those things, then I think that that certainly can be a risk.
The other category I would say is around the content we're seeing on our screens. You know, we know that there's a lot happening. For example, when we're scrolling social media, there's a lot we see that maybe is not the best for our well-being, is maybe not making us feel our best. And so I think that's another risk as well.
That's certainly true that if you're on your screen, you're not doing something else. And what else could you be doing?
Exactly. Or maybe you are, but you're not really totally present in whatever that other thing is that you're doing.
Well, there's a big problem because that drives me crazy, and I'm sure it drives a lot of people crazy, when you don't have someone's full attention when you're talking to them and they think it's fine for them to talk to you. and be on their phone scrolling or texting to somebody else. I find that so rude, but it's not just rude. It's like, well, I guess it is just rude.
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Chapter 3: How Does Screen Time Impact Our Well-being?
It's like, you're not important enough to get my undivided attention.
Yeah, you know, it's funny. There's actually in the research, psychologists have kind of come up with all these different names for that exact phenomenon because it is so common. So there's a word called technoference, meaning technology and interference. Typically that's used in like parenting work.
So where technology is really interfering with interactions that parents are having with their kids. And then there's another term that's kind of funny called fubbing, which is basically phone and snubbing. meaning typically used in more like partner and friend kind of research.
So thinking about when we're on our phones and in the presence of friends or partners and that is in some ways, you know, we're snubbing them because we're not giving them our full attention.
And there is some evidence that, unsurprisingly, that that experience can have negative impacts on the relationship, on our sense of connection and relationship quality, but also on our mood and our well-being. I think we often think that spending that time on our screens is going to make us feel better or less bored or whatever it might be.
But actually, it does tend to have a more negative impact on our mood.
Well, I think everyone would agree with what you just said, because there are times when everybody, I mean, probably even you, likes to just scroll mindlessly through some social media something for a few minutes. But it's like junk food. It doesn't satisfy anything other than in that very moment, but there's no other satisfaction to it.
Yeah, there's an interesting study actually that came out last year, which I think really illustrates this, where it was with college students. And they essentially had college students in a waiting room, like waiting to what they thought was participate in the actual study. But half of the students, they had wait with their phones. and half of them, they had to wait without their phones.
The students who didn't have their phones thought that they were going to feel worse, thought they were going to be bored, they thought it was going to be awkward, waiting around all these other students with no distraction of their phones. But actually in the end, unsurprisingly, they ended up feeling better.
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Chapter 4: What Is Technoference and How Does Phone Use Affect Relationships?
What did they do instead? Were they just sitting there with their thoughts or were they reading a book or what were they doing?
No, yeah. So, they provided some kind of entertainment for those students if they wanted it. You know, I remember this particular detail of this study is that they had a giant Jenga game in the room in case students wanted to play and some other stuff around. But for the most part, they were just waiting with other students.
So, I think it was more about the socializing where they ended up, you know, striking up conversations.
Well, that's the thing is... Scrolling on your phone is a solitary activity, and you can see lots of people together, but they're all on their phones. And so they're not really together and taking advantage or getting the benefits from the socializing part of it. They might as well just be home in their room.
Yeah. You know, one of the things that we know about screen time and phone use is that, you know, as I said before, I think there are ways that it can be done where it can promote our well-being and ways where it can really interfere with our well-being. And part of that I think really comes down to the social aspects.
So if we're using our phones to promote connection, social connection, whether that's we're sending a text to a friend to check in on how they're doing, maybe we're sending someone a message to make plans to meet up, those kinds of things obviously are going to be good, are going to make us feel better.
But if we're using our phones in ways that are interfering with social connection, whether that's, you know, we're sitting on our phones scrolling and looking at how much fun everyone else is having on social media, or we're sitting on our phones when we should be interacting with the people around us, those kinds of activities are going to have a more negative impact.
You know, I'm really curious to know because we often talk about how other people inappropriately use their phone or they're on screens too much. But how do people feel about their own use of screens and their own time on the phone? Do they think, yeah, I probably am on it too much, but, or do they think, no, I've got this under control. It's other people who have the problem.
How do people feel about their own participation in this?
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Chapter 5: Is Phone Use a Habit or a Crutch? How Can We Manage It Mindfully?
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So Jackie, it does seem to me that, especially with young people, that picking up their phone is a habit. It's like they can't not do it. Go to a doctor's office and people are in the waiting room. And I actually went to a doctor not long ago and was struck by this woman who was sitting there reading a real book about
And I thought, wow, look at her. That's so rare.
But in the old days, you know, doctors used to put magazines in their waiting rooms because that's what people did to pass the time. Now it's just habit. You sit down, you whip out your phone, and you stare at it until they call your name.
yeah i think a lot of our use is really yeah as you're saying really habitual really sort of mindless it's not necessarily a choice we're making always to pick up our phone or to do a certain activity on our phone it's really more um that it's just automatic at this point um we've sort of gotten in the habit of using it a certain way um that's one reason why i think that um
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Chapter 6: What Are the Effects of Screen Time on Sleep?
And then the other thing I would say is just outside of the sort of like technical side of things, there are things you can do just in your day-to-day habits as well to try to reduce your mindless use if that's what you're looking to do. Yeah. You can try to set phone-free times of day, whether that's meals or other times. You can try to set phone-free locations of your house.
So certain places where maybe you decide you're not going to use your phone, certain rooms or maybe on the couch or something like that. I think you can talk to your family and friends about what sort of the phone guidelines are going to be when you're spending time with each other. And that can go a long way.
My guess is, as wonderful as those recommendations are, people just don't do them. It would be very hard for me to imagine, to alter my use using those suggestions you just made, I'll just take care of it myself. And I imagine most people don't follow those recommendations.
People do find it very hard to do this kind of thing. So in many of the studies that ask people to reduce their use of their phones or of social media, the compliance is somewhat low, meaning that it's hard to get people to do this. It's just tricky for a lot of people. But in most cases, they do find that when people stick to it, when people do it,
they do end up reporting improvements in mood and well-being and other factors. So it can certainly make a difference.
Well, I've had that.
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Chapter 7: What Does Research Say About Video Games and Violence?
The other thing I would note that can make a big difference in terms of well-being is trying to reduce phone use around sleep. We know that our device use can really interfere with sleep when it's keeping us awake at night. One thing that seems very simple but can make a big difference is charging phones outside of the bedroom when you go to sleep.
And there is some evidence that that can improve both the length and the quality of people's sleep.
Even though you're not on it, it's just not in the room, so you can't be. Well, what is that? Right.
Well, I think when it's in the room, the problem is that there's too much temptation for many people to grab it. So, if you, you know, or maybe it's making noises in the middle of the night that's waking you up. Or, you know, if you can't fall asleep or you wake up in the middle of the night, you reflexively go to check it and then that keeps you awake longer.
So, sort of having it out of sight, out of mind can make a big difference.
Well, one of the big concerns about screen time that you hear was probably the first big concern is about kids and video games and all of that. Where are we? What does the research say about all that? Is it horrible or not or what?
Yeah, so with video games, I think that where the research stands right now is that, unsurprisingly, it depends, right? It depends on who the kids are. Kids are affected in very different ways when they're using video games. It depends on what exactly is happening in those video games. Generally, you know, there was a big concern for a while about violence in video games.
Generally, the research does not support any long-term links between playing violent video games and, you know, violent or aggressive outcomes in the long term. So some of that concern, I think, has been somewhat overblown. That said, I think there's good reason for parents to be aware of the kinds of things that their kids are being exposed to in video games.
Here's something I think a lot of people wonder about, because for decades, people have gone to bed, watched TV, and then gone to sleep. I haven't heard a whole lot about that being a problem, but there's a lot of caution about looking at a screen like a phone or a tablet before bed that that screws up your sleep. What's the difference between the TV and the screen, the computer screen?
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Chapter 8: Why Is Using Screens Before Bed Different From Watching TV?
Yeah, so I think in terms of the actual technology and the effects, there's nothing specific about a phone or a tablet that's inherently worse than a TV, right? Like it's still a screen that's being watched and that's it. I think practically there are some differences. So with a tablet or a phone, obviously you're not having the same experience of with a TV, you turn it off,
and it's off, and that's sort of it. And then you get up and you walk away. With a tablet or a phone, of course, it often comes with you. And so that makes it just a different experience in terms of the ease of putting it away, of stopping to use it. The activities that you do on a phone versus or a tablet versus a TV also sometimes differ.
You know, so you might be using more social media or other apps on a phone versus on a TV. Maybe you're watching more shows.
you know with a with a tv show it tends to have more of a definitive end point right like an episode ends and that's kind of the end versus when you're scrolling on social media it sort of can continue on forever well it's a topic that is the subject of a lot of conversation and concern maybe especially for parents
But it's a topic I think that everyone's concerned about, how much time we're spending on screens and what we're not doing because we're spending so much time on screens. Jackie Nisi has been my guest. She's a psychologist, an assistant professor at Brown University, and she writes a popular weekly newsletter called Techno Sapiens.
And if you'd like more information to that, there's a link to Techno Sapiens in the show notes for this episode. Jackie, thank you for coming on and talking about this.
Alright, thank you so much, Mike.
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