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STACK with Jake and Ella

Books We Thought We’d Hate: ACOTAR, Historical Fiction and Prize-Winners

27 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

4.975 - 12.787 Jake

Hello and welcome to Stack, a book podcast that's here to help you fall in love and stay in love with reading. My name is Jake, I'm a writer and a podcast producer.

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13.208 - 20.319 Ella

My name's Ella, I work in book publishing. In every episode we'll be cutting through the noise, building a themed stack of six books that we love and we know you will too.

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20.679 - 25.006 Jake

This week's theme is books that we thought we'd hate, subtitle, but we actually loved.

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25.306 - 32.417 Ella

Yeah, actually some quite bad takes in this episode. Warning, may contain bad takes. Before we get into that, how was your week? What have you been up to?

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32.617 - 37.749 Jake

My book is good. I have finally started and finished watching Heated Rivalry.

37.789 - 43.383 Ella

I've heard so much about it. I think it's very up my street. I haven't watched a single second of it. What do we think?

43.724 - 52.812 Jake

Really loved. Was. I felt like maybe it would just be... What's the word? Hot and heavy. Is actually also.

Chapter 2: What is the theme of the episode about books we thought we'd hate?

52.872 - 53.774 Ella

Do you think it would be filthy?

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54.375 - 55.838 Jake

I thought it was going to be. Is it filthy?

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55.858 - 57.581 Ella

It is filthy. Great.

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57.761 - 59.925 Jake

And I thought that might be just the case.

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60.005 - 60.245 Ella

Yeah.

60.626 - 64.833 Jake

But by like episode three, I'm a hook, line, sinker. Everything in.

65.334 - 66.235 Ella

And it's a good story.

66.536 - 67.838 Jake

Good story. Great acting.

68.239 - 70.983 Ella

If people haven't heard, will you give us a brief summary?

Chapter 3: Why did Ella love 'Wolf Hall' despite her initial hesitations?

1417.667 - 1420.291 Jake

They're not the only ones that have happened or are important or impactful.

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1420.751 - 1435.033 Ella

But they do dominate like what we learn about. And so it just felt like you'd been spoon fed and also one particular telling of those wars as well. So I think I just feel like I've heard enough.

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1435.503 - 1444.656 Jake

Yeah, and I also feel like we're bombarded with ideas about that war that are like heroic men and fighting for the country.

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1444.956 - 1446.438 Ella

I find patriotism quite uncomfortable.

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1447.259 - 1448 Jake

Yeah.

1448.481 - 1466.835 Ella

Again, coming back to reading for escape and just thinking I don't really want to spend my time there, even though there have been other kind of novels set in those eras that I have really enjoyed, but there is something I just really resist from reading them. Also on the cover, there's two men in black and white.

1467.496 - 1468.197 Jake

And you hate that.

1468.217 - 1470.802 Ella

I just thought that's really emphasising the war.

1470.862 - 1474.409 Jake

Okay. Yeah, it's quite, yeah, I know what you mean.

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