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STACK with Jake and Ella

Weird Little Books: Zombies, Word Soup and Falling In Love With A Printer

09 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

6.848 - 15.1 Ella

Hello and welcome to Stack, the books podcast that is here to cut through the noise and share with you curated lists of the books we know are worth your time. I'm Ella and I work in book publishing.

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15.361 - 26.798 Jake

My name is Jake. I'm a writer and a podcast producer. In every episode, we'll be building a themed stack of books we love. This week's theme is weird little books. Before that, Ella, this week, reading, not reading, what have you been up to?

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26.828 - 29.331 Ella

Reading a bit, I read The Binding.

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29.972 - 30.973 Jake

Did you enjoy it? My little present.

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31.193 - 49.596 Ella

Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Definitely had a misinterpretation of what it was going to be about. I think the queer romance strand of it was such a nice surprise. So I really loved it. But actually what has been obsessing me this week is the BBC Sounds podcast, Anatomy of a Cancellation.

49.694 - 50.856 Jake

I heard of that. I haven't listened yet.

52.238 - 68.303 Ella

Were you familiar with the debacle? Yeah, I was. So if you are not aware, it was it is about the quote unquote cancellation of Kate Clancy, who wrote a book a few years ago. Some kids I taught and some kids who taught me.

Chapter 2: What are weird little books and why are they unique?

68.583 - 90.678 Ella

The podcast kind of unpicks this cancellation or kind of disappearing of Kate Clancy from Her life as a writer, she was subject to criticism about the language used in the book to describe some children that she'd taught. Things escalated online and offline for her. She's ended up cutting ties with her publisher and the podcast series, only six episodes, half an hour each.

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91.279 - 110.458 Ella

And each episode is from a different perspective, kind of talking about, is there such a thing as being cancelled? Was Kate Clancy cancelled? Was she right to be cancelled? And what I loved about it was that each episode changed slightly how I felt about it. So I loved it. I stormed through it. I think I listened to it in maybe just a day.

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110.498 - 113.024 Jake

Oh, wow. I know that's quite a bit.

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113.866 - 115.069 Jake

I've also got a podcast recommendation.

115.209 - 115.45 Ella

Great.

116.031 - 134.378 Jake

Are you a fan of Jenny Slate? She is an actor, writer, comedian. She was in Parks and Rec. She's got some stand-up specials. She also, you might know her as the voice of Marcel the Shell with shoes on. Oh my God, I love Marcel the Shell with shoes on. There we go. I knew that. I knew you would have that as your reference point.

134.398 - 135.861 Ella

Did you know that? I know that.

135.841 - 140.565 Jake

I just thought that if Ella has met Jenny Slater, it's going to have been through jail.

Chapter 3: How does 'Hard Copy' by Fien Veldman explore obsession?

739.091 - 753.848 Jake

And then you wake up and you are like so relieved that that isn't what happened. So this book follows Leonard, who is on a summer holiday in the south of France. He goes for a walk late at night and he sees a boy hanging to his death and he watches it happen.

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754.208 - 756.972 Ella

Gosh. Then... God, that is so dark.

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757.012 - 758.613 Jake

It's so dark. And that is so early on.

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759.174 - 761.016 Jake

So it's heavy for me.

761.036 - 762.578 Ella

So that doesn't sound fun to you as a reader?

762.598 - 771.067 Jake

If that's not for you, don't read it. Don't read it. Not even in a panic, just in a calm, collected way, he decides he needs to bury that body. So he then buries that body.

771.087 - 771.868 Ella

Oh, what a decision.

771.928 - 792.647 Jake

Wakes up the next day, goes about his life with knowing that he's done that. As people start to wonder where the boy is, as the police start to get involved, it gives you a really horrible, intense... How do you do that? You don't really ever understand why. I think you... It just gives you that intense, horrible feeling of you've made a huge mistake and... Okay, maybe now you could just own up.

Chapter 4: What makes 'This Is How You Lose The Time War' a cult favorite?

1192.604 - 1197.754 Jake

Martin Hill is 10 years old. He gets down to the final two to play Harry Potter.

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1198.215 - 1198.515 Ella

Amazing.

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1198.535 - 1210.759 Jake

He doesn't get it. And then it follows his life as he adjusts to having to live with the inescapable juggernaut of Harry Potter in his life as a constant reminder of like his failures.

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1211.2 - 1212.402 Ella

What a fantastic set up.

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1212.533 - 1217.426 Jake

It's a really weird, surreal setup. I would say weird, 7 out of 10 weird.

1217.566 - 1217.667 Ella

Okay.

1218.248 - 1229.982 Jake

Maybe 6 out of 10 short. I think this comes in at, again, about 200. It's by David Owen Kinos, translated by Megan Jones from the French. I really recommend it. It's strange. It is strange.

1230.163 - 1230.343 Ella

Okay.

1230.403 - 1232.066 Jake

I can't believe you didn't wonder about being Hermione.

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