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Physics & Philosophy with Sean Carroll

05 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What cosmic questions are explored in this episode?

0.031 - 33.054 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Hey, Star Talkians, Neil here. You're about to listen to an episode specially drawn from our archives to serve your cosmic curiosities. The archives run deep. If you enjoy this, take a peek at the full catalog on your favorite podcast platform. There's a lot there to tickle your geek underbelly. Check it out. Welcome to StarTalk. Your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide.

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33.074 - 49.444 Neil deGrasse Tyson

StarTalk begins right now. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist.

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49.605 - 58.141 Lindsay Nix-Walker

And I'm Lindsay Nix-Walker, senior producer of StarTalk. And Neil and I just co-authored a brand new StarTalk book coming out September 12th.

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58.161 - 84.676 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Yeah, this is the third in a series of collaborations with National Geographic Books. And this one is titled... to infinity and beyond. And it's available for pre-order from the StarTalk website, startalkmedia.com slash books. If you do pre-order the book, you have a special access to a conversation that I'll be having with Lindsay Walker. She's been my senior producer for years.

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85.477 - 113.831 Neil deGrasse Tyson

She's behind the scenes in practically every StarTalk episode you've ever seen or heard. I look forward to doing a live stream. for our audience and they'd be able to submit questions in advance so we'll see you there we'll see you then startalkmedia.com books This is StarTalk. Neil deGrasse Tyson here. You're a personal astrophysicist. I got with me my co-host, Jack. Nice, Jack.

114.271 - 115.173 Chuck Nice

Hey, what's happening?

115.394 - 130.682 Neil deGrasse Tyson

All right. Always good to have you there, man. Especially when we have cosmic queries. Fan favorite. Oh, yeah. Fan favorite. We love them. You get to ask a question with sort of entry-level... in our Patreon program, just $5 a month.

130.702 - 131.062 Unknown

That's it.

131.142 - 145.303 Neil deGrasse Tyson

And we collected them. And you know in advance what you're asking about because today's topics involve physics and philosophy. Oh. People love just talking about stuff for which there is no answer.

Chapter 2: How does Sean Carroll define natural philosophy?

1027.556 - 1064.806 Chuck Nice

This is from Sai. It says, hello, Dr. Tyson, Dr. Carol, Dr. Haha. First time Patreon member. I know, right? Yes. First time Patreon member here. Huge, huge fan. I am Sai Anurag Lakarju from India. Chuck, if you get my name right, I swear to God, I will double my Patreon membership. Yeah, well, I guess you're in no danger there, are you?

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1065.127 - 1068.745 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Yeah, I think he's going to have it after what you just did to his name, but all right.

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1070.345 - 1097.511 Chuck Nice

That was funny. My question pertains to Dr. Carroll's research, which says that the universe is infinitely old and Big Bang is just one of many events resulting from quantum fluctuations of a vacuum energy in a cold, desitter space. Please throw some light on what kind of space is this? How can I visualize it better in order to understand it more fully?

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1097.551 - 1100.256 Sean Carroll

Ooh. Good.

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Chapter 3: What is the relationship between physics and philosophy?

1100.477 - 1123.546 Sean Carroll

Very good. I love it. You know, hanging out on the wrong street corners. I don't know where they pick these things up. But yes, this is all driven by the very famous philosophy question. Why is the past different from the future? Why is there an arrow of time? Because the fundamental laws of physics have no arrow of time in them. The answer is entropy and the second law of thermodynamics.

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1123.626 - 1135.341 Sean Carroll

The universe used to be more organized, lower in entropy. The whole history of the universe is just entropy increasing, disorder and chaos developing all around.

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1135.381 - 1137.183 Neil deGrasse Tyson

We're all going to die.

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1137.203 - 1158.693 Sean Carroll

It's not your fault necessarily, but you're contributing to the disorder and chaos all around us. And that started about 14 billion years ago near the Big Bang. At the moment of the beginning of the universe, our universe was exquisitely orderly. It doesn't necessarily look that way, but you run through the numbers and it's true. Why? Why? Why is that true? Why was the early universe so orderly?

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1158.773 - 1183.758 Sean Carroll

And so I've long wondered about this. And I wrote a paper years ago now with a woman who was a graduate student of mine at the time, Jennifer Chen, where we proposed that the Big Bang was not the beginning. of our universe. Other people propose that in different contexts, but we made the case that you don't need a fine-tuned, special, organized, low entropy beginning of the universe.

1183.798 - 1202.779 Sean Carroll

The universe can be eternal, it can last forever, but what happens is it empties out, just like our universe is doing. A universe can be completely empty, the future of ours will be, but it still won't be perfectly quiet. there are still quantum fluctuations that can lead to whole new universes coming into existence.

1203.34 - 1218.477 Sean Carroll

And as that happens, they all start in low entropy conditions and the entropy grows and gives that little part of the universe an arrow of time. And the fun part is, the far, far past, the same thing happens, but in the other direction.

1218.457 - 1237.51 Sean Carroll

So there's sort of a symmetric shape to the universe where the future is a story of more and more universes being created and the arrow of time pointing in that direction. The past is a story of more and more universes being created with people in them who think that we are in their past.

1237.53 - 1256.355 Chuck Nice

I'm going to tell you right now. If Psy... what the hell you just said, then they need to be the co-host of this show. Because I am not going to lie.

Chapter 4: Why is the past different from the future?

1348.668 - 1362.139 Neil deGrasse Tyson

That's insane. Oh, my God. Okay, wait. So, Sean, before we get to the next question, these are ideas. Is there any way to experimentally verify any of this?

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1362.64 - 1390.268 Sean Carroll

Well, we're trying, but the short answer is we don't know yet. We don't have... That's not like a no. Just say it. It's very much not a no. Oh, okay. All the words, Neil. All the words matter here. Okay. But this is a more broader idea, right? Yeah. There are plenty of tentative preliminary scientific ideas which are too ill-formed yet. I'm with you. Predictions.

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1390.609 - 1400.387 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Einstein's gravitational waves. Einstein's gravitational rings. Yeah. I'll give you that. We'll get there. We will get there. Send money.

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1400.547 - 1402.771 Sean Carroll

We'll do it. Just trust us.

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1402.791 - 1403.713 Neil deGrasse Tyson

In your lifetime?

1405.702 - 1408.026 Sean Carroll

And lifetime is getting shorter every year, so I don't know.

1409.789 - 1433.525 Chuck Nice

All right, Chuck, what else you got? All right, let's go on to Doug Sherman. Doug Sherman says, hi, Neil. Hi, Sean. Lord, nice. This is Doug from Frisco, Texas. All right. All right. Way to go, brother. Doug says, I thoroughly enjoyed Sean's debate on God and cosmology against William Lane Craig, although I'm still trying to get my head around everything Sean explained.

1433.905 - 1455.97 Chuck Nice

One amongst many arguments I found interesting was Sean's rebuttal against Mr. Craig's technological argument that the finely tuned universe was evidence for the existence of God. I don't recall the specifics, but I believe Sean stated that in some models, The finely tuned universe approaches. Then he says, could Sean once again go through the perspective of the fine-tuned argument?

1456.29 - 1463.56 Chuck Nice

I also reject the technological argument, but for more simplistic reasons than my flawed brain can rationalize.

Chapter 5: What is quantum entanglement and how does it work?

1961.903 - 1963.827 Neil deGrasse Tyson

They love you, Chuck, no matter what they call you.

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1963.848 - 1984.483 Chuck Nice

I know. I know. Well, Malcolm Marfan here, all the way from Trinidad and Tobago. Oh, nice. He says, Dr. Carroll, I came across your 2018 paper, Why Is There Something Rather Than Nothing? And thought, wow, this guy's really dedicated to the lot of brain power, to the concept of nothing.

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1984.463 - 2008.683 Chuck Nice

Now, since you've clearly become an expert in nothingness, can you shed some light on the various layers of nothing? Specifically, how do these layers of void stand apart and how are they intertwined with the head-spinning realms of cosmology and quantum mechanics? P.S. Can I get a philosophy or physics degree with nothing for my thesis?

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2011.548 - 2029.874 Sean Carroll

I think our questioner missed the point of the title of my paper, which is that there is something like, you know, we can contemplate that there wouldn't have been anything and there's just nothing. But what I say in the paper is, can we really contemplate that? I mean, I think that we have this informal training from our everyday lives, right?

2029.934 - 2051.137 Sean Carroll

Where we have boxes with things in them and boxes with nothing in them. And so we think that there's an option. There can be things or there could be nothings. But when it comes to the universe, it is not at all obvious that there is an alternative to the universe existing. What does it even mean for nothing to exist? How does nothingness even exist?

2051.257 - 2068.209 Sean Carroll

That's kind of what I'm getting at in the paper, which is that it's not at all clear that the reason why the universe exists is the kind of thing that has an answer to a why question. Maybe we just have to accept it as a brute fact and be lucky about it.

2068.249 - 2084.772 Sean Carroll

So I do think this stuff is fun to talk about, but I don't think that it is nearly as down-to-earth and simple and physical as certain physicists who like to talk about this make it out to be. It's fundamentally a philosophy question.

2084.752 - 2110.94 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Wait, but John, if there were no quantum physics, in principle, you could talk about space as having no particles and none of these virtual particles that quantum physics forces into it. You just say, remove the atoms and all known particles That's as pretty good a nothing as anyone would hope to describe, isn't it? No, it's something. It's space. It has... Because you have a word for it, okay?

Chapter 6: What are the implications of the many worlds hypothesis?

2487.81 - 2501.384 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Good man. Excellent. Yes. Wait, so what you're saying is there's a point where the brain just gives up recreating the present and said, I can't compensate for this. It's too much. It's too hard. It's too much. I can't do no more.

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2502.608 - 2513.572 Unknown

No, you do. Deal with it. Go on without me. Oh, God, it's just, oh, I can't take it.

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2516.996 - 2520.221 Neil deGrasse Tyson

So this is an experimental result, Sean.

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2520.662 - 2526.93 Sean Carroll

You know, look, as I'm sure you already know, neuroscience, biology, psychology. That's a whole frontier right there.

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2527.391 - 2542.853 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Way harder than physics or astronomy. Way harder, way harder. Yeah. Okay. I did not know this. So interesting. So the brain constructs a present so that we can help make sense of the world in our own moment that we make decisions.

2542.933 - 2563.989 Chuck Nice

It's actually doing that with everything all the time. Your brain, because there's just too much input for your brain to actually process in real time. So most of what it's doing is kind of creating a construct and then painting a picture of what it is. And then it looks for changes in that construct.

2564.009 - 2571.961 Neil deGrasse Tyson

Wait, so Sean, this tells me that if the brain can't complete the picture, it'll make stuff up to fill out the picture. Absolutely.

2571.981 - 2579.091 Chuck Nice

That's why there are so many black men in prison right now.

2579.375 - 2603.635 Sean Carroll

I was going to say optical illusions, but sure. Yes. Racial incarceration inequalities. That's another one. Yes. This is the philosophy part of the answer, which is that there is a real world out there. I mean, there is objective physical reality, but there's also the picture, the image, the model of the world that our brain puts together. And they're related, but they're not the same.

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