What happens when success itself starts pulling your company away from its mission?In this episode of the Strategy & Leadership Podcast, Anthony Taylor speaks with Eric Ries, entrepreneur and author of Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad… and How Great Companies Stay Great.Eric is best known for The Lean Startup, a book that reshaped how modern companies are built. In this conversation, he expands on that foundation and challenges one of the most deeply held assumptions in business: that corruption and failure are the result of bad actors rather than flawed systems.Anthony and Eric explore why even well-intentioned leaders and organizations drift toward short-term thinking, how “financial gravity” pulls companies away from their purpose, and what it takes to design organizations that can scale without losing their mission.They also discuss the role of governance as a strategic advantage, why trust is one of the most valuable assets a company can build, and how leaders can rethink profit, accountability, and long-term value creation in a way that aligns performance with purpose.What You Will Learn in This EpisodeWhy good companies go bad even with strong leadershipHow structural design, not morality, drives long-term outcomesWhat “financial gravity” is and how it impacts decision-makingWhy governance should be treated as a strategic function, not complianceHow to build organizations that scale without losing their missionAbout Eric RiesEric Ries is an entrepreneur, author, and creator of the Lean Startup methodology, which has influenced how a generation of companies approach innovation and growth. He is the author of the New York Times bestseller The Lean Startup, as well as The Startup Way and The Leader’s Guide.Over the past two decades, Eric has worked with founders, executives, and investors to rethink how organizations are built and governed. He is the founder of the Long-Term Stock Exchange and has launched multiple companies, including IMVU and Answer.AI.His latest book, Incorruptible, explores how organizations can be designed to resist short-term pressures, build trust, and create long-term value without losing their core mission.About the Strategy & Leadership PodcastThe Strategy & Leadership Podcast is hosted by Anthony Taylor, a strategic advisor who works with mid-market leadership teams ($30M–$300M) across North America.For more than 15 years, Anthony has been in the room with leadership teams navigating growth, transitions, and the alignment challenges that come with scaling complex organizations.On this show, he interviews CEOs, founders, and senior leaders about what actually works when strategy has to survive execution.If you lead a team and want to get better at it, subscribe.Strategy Resources for LeadersDownload the Strategic Alignment Toolkithttps://www.smestrategy.net/toolkitBook a Strategic Alignment Reviewhttps://www.smestrategy.net/contactLearn more about SME Strategyhttps://www.smestrategy.netConnect with Anthony Taylor on LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyctaylorProduced by Rednyne Productionshttps://www.rednyne.com

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