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Chapter 1: Who are the hosts discussing Broadway in this episode?
Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerry's here too, and this is a good old-fashioned, toe-tapping, feel-good event of the century that we like to call Stuff You Should Know.
Chapter 2: What is the significance of the song 'Give My Regards to Broadway'?
I cannot stop singing. They say the neon lights are bright on Broadway.
It's one of my least favorites. Is that from a chorus line?
I don't know. I was singing that earlier. I was singing Give My Regards to Broadway. Wow.
You haven't been singing the one I've been singing.
What have you been singing?
There's no business like show business, like no business I know.
That's great. I do not know the Neon Lights one. I should have looked that up, but I do know Give My Regards to Broadway is from Little Johnny Jones from 1904, written by George M. Cohan.
Neon Lights is a Kraftwerk song. You're way off.
Oh, well.
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Chapter 3: What makes Broadway the American home of musicals and theater?
Yeah, pilgrimage. But I do love the plays, and we are, in fact, going to see Gary Glenn Ross in May. Haven't you seen the movie? I have, but this has got that killer cast on Broadway. I don't know if you heard about it or not.
No, I haven't. Honestly, I haven't kept up with Broadway lately.
Yeah, this has got Glenn Ross with Kieran Culkin and Bill Burr and Bob Odenkirk and others.
Wow, that is a killer cast.
So I grabbed tickets for that right when they went on sale and I'm going and my friends are like, how'd you get tickets, man? You're so lucky. I'm like, I just logged on and got them when they went on sale.
You logged on to your internet.
Yeah. You know, just get on a, if you're into that kind of thing, you just jump on a little, like a Broadway direct email list and then you'll get the haps on all the haps.
So you mentioned a T, is it TKT?
Oh, yeah, the TKTS booth.
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Chapter 4: How can you buy affordable tickets to Broadway shows?
When the Dutch showed up and they said this is New Amsterdam, eventually we'll rename it New York.
Yeah. Yeah.
They called it de Heerstraat, which is gentleman's way. So apparently here with two E's in the middle means gentleman in Dutch if you want to impress people at your next party. Yeah. But they just called it bredweg or broad way, broad road. And the English said, well, we're just going to call that Broadway from now on.
Yeah. So that's the street. Broadway, the theater district, is between Times Square to 53rd Street and then the side streets from 6th to 8th Avenues. And like I said, it's 41 theaters. And with that smallest one, the Hayes being 597, they're all at least 500, almost 600 theaters.
I mean, can you squeeze three more seats in there, Hayes? Maybe standing room only.
And like I said, the Gershwin is the largest at 1933. And, you know, that's where theater happens. And we're going to talk a little bit about sort of the early theater days, because if you're talking New York theater, you're going to have to go back to 1732 to see the first – or at least the first record of a performance of a play there. It was called The Recruiting Officer.
And that was some Londoners traveling through town. And it was the new theater on Nassau Street. But that was near Broadway, but not anywhere close to the theater district. It was way, way downtown in what would now be the financial district.
You're not going to mention the name of the owner of the new theater building?
Governor Rip Van Dam.
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Chapter 5: What are the sizes and capacities of Broadway theaters?
Yeah, and we'll get to that. That was sort of the way it went for a while. It was sort of like songs and sketches and stuff like that. That was what a musical was. But we wouldn't have any of this stuff. It hadn't been for some pretty notable people. The first one, well, he's actually the first Oscar Hammerstein of what would be two notable Oscar Hammersteins.
yeah this is oscar hammerstein i that's right uh he moved from germany of course to new york city in 1864 and was a cigar factory floor sweeper until he invented a cigar machine and made quite a bit of money doing so such that he could start funding the opening of uh his passion which was opera so he opened the harlem opera house first in 1889
And then that very first one in Longacre Square, which will be notable in about a minute and a half because you will learn what that became. Hammerstein's Olympia Theater at Broadway and 43rd and 44th. And then after that, the Republic Theater was in 1899, which is still there, but is now the new Victory Theater.
Gotcha. Which I think is for young audiences, right? Is it? Yeah, I'm almost positive it is.
Like really bawdy kids' plays?
Yeah, like Avenue Q. Yeah, exactly. So within like a decade, Oscar Hammerstein I built like three major theaters in New York City. And he helped pretty much establish this theater district or the concept that New York had a theater district.
Yeah.
or it was a theater town, I guess. Plus, and this is probably a fairly overlooked component of it, the Interboro Rapid Transit System, the train, helped too, because it could get people around New York much more easily than before.
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Chapter 6: How have Broadway productions evolved in terms of scale and technology?
So with those two things, Hammerstein and the IRT converging, New York suddenly had everything it needed, all the ingredients to become a world-class theater destination.
Yeah, for sure. So the writing was on the wall. He opened those theaters. Other people were like, hey, we can invest money in this now that it's becoming a thing. The New Amsterdam Theater and the Lyceum Theater were both built around the same time in the early 1900s. And then, oh boy, we're probably more than a minute and a half after I promised it.
But in 1905, Longacre Square was renamed for the newly relocated New York Times offices, and thus it became Times Square.
Ta-da. And that's it.
I was like, was it New York Times Square? And I was like, no, dummy. Just Times Square. Just Times Square. And it was around the same time that these three brothers, Lee Samuel and Jacob Schubert, a very popular theater name to this day, they opened up a bunch of theaters in New York and elsewhere. And the Schubert organization still owns and operates 17 of those 41 theaters.
That's a bunch. That's almost half of the theaters on Broadway.
They got it locked down, baby.
So all of this hubbub and activity of building theaters and attracting like really good performers and plays and musicals. By the time World War One rolled around, like New York was on the map for theater and Broadway was the theater district for New York by this time.
And one of the things that really helped things along, kind of picked up where Oscar Hammerstein I and the IRT left off to really, like, give things a real goose, was the Ziegfeld Follies, which I know we talked about in our episode on vaudeville in November 2022. We talked about that a lot.
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Chapter 7: What is the history and origin of Broadway as a street and theater district?
Yeah. And the movie Airplane.
Right, exactly. That's where I first learned about it. Ginger Rogers, Greta Steyer.
Of course.
Greta Garbo, Dance on Air.
And it wasn't just musical theater at the time. This sort of post-World War II era also had some pretty legendary plays, like The Iceman Cometh from Eugene O'Neill and Lorraine Hansberry's Raisin in the Sun, of course. But it was Times Square after all. So in World War II, that's when you started seeing...
Some, you know, the usual thing that would happen was like burlesque theater, eventually peep show, maybe regular movie theater and then porn theater.
Yeah. And you better know the difference.
Yeah.
I say that we we take a break and we come back and we talk about the establishment of Broadway shows as we know them. Let's do it.
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Chapter 8: Who were the key figures that shaped early Broadway theaters and musicals?
Yeah, for sure. That one I can sing along with basically from start to finish. I love that one. Exactly. I knew exactly what you were doing just then because I'm so familiar with it.
We tried to see Phantom at the Fox Theater here in Atlanta. And I actually just joined the Broadway season for next season. The season's run from May to May, I think, on regular Broadway. I'm not sure about the Fox, though. I think it may be about the same. But we tried to go see Phantom years ago, but we're both so distracted. It was when we were trying to buy our first house.
And we were obsessed with this house we were trying to get a bid on. And it was just one of those deals where we were not there. Our head was elsewhere. And we finally just looked at each other and we were like, we need to get out of here.
You should definitely see it again. It's a really great show. The music, the lyrics. I know, I got to see it. There's like a one-ton chandelier that falls to the stage. Like, it's a good show. And I think you're right that it did kick off kind of the mega productions thing. It ran for 35 years. And as far as I know, it holds the record still for the most performances at 13,981. Wow.
Remember, Oklahoma set something at like 2,200 before.
Oh, yeah. That's, I mean, impressive at the time. But yeah, that's 35 years is impressive.
It's pretty amazing. So, yeah, I love that show. I'm just going to say it probably five more times throughout this show.
So we got to talk a little bit about Times Square. Even before the 70s came along, it was a pretty rowdy place. In the early teens, there was a 1 a.m. curfew because it was such a rowdy place. There were speakeasies there during Prohibition, burlesque in the 30s.
And then from the 60s and into the 90s, I think I mentioned this before, when I first started going to New York in the mid-90s, there were still peep shows there. It was right before the final cleanup happened, thanks to a few different mayors, but Mayor Ed Koch, certainly David Dinkins, and then eventually Giuliani would finish up the work of cleaning up Times Square.
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Chapter 9: What were some groundbreaking musicals and composers from Broadway's early days?
Yeah, I'm going to pick out a couple of these. I'm going to pick out Moose Murders from 1983. It is a farce, obviously, but it was bankrolled by an oil heiress named Lily Robertson and directed by her husband and starring... The oil heiress, Lily Robertson, who bankrolled it, which should tell you it's not headed toward a great thing also because it's called Moose Murders.
And it closed after one single performance. And New Yorker art critic Brendan Gill said that it would insult the intelligence of an audience consisting entirely of amoebas.
Yeah, I read about that. It seems like it was just a completely amateur production from start to finish. Like everybody was basically had no idea what they were doing. And if you want to just be delighted, go read articles about the flop that was Moose Murders, because it's widely considered like the the worst show that ever hit Broadway ever.
In a lot of ways, though, it's tough to qualify that because there's plenty of bad shows out there and some have been forgotten. But for some reason, Moose Murders just became like the symbol for the worst shows on Broadway.
Yeah, I mean, there's different ways to qualify it. Like, is it just bad, bad? Or is it notoriously a flop because of how much money it cost and it flopped? That was the case with a couple of them. But Carrie, an adaptation of the Stephen King horror novel... As a musical, in 1988, closed after 16 previews and five regular performances at an $8 million budget.
So it's widely considered one of the biggest sort of just expensive flops of all time.
Yeah, there's a song about killing a pig in it, I think, to get the blood to pour on her. And the lyrics go, it's a simple little gig. You help me kill a pig.
Yeah. And believe it or not, that was it wasn't like an amateurish production. It was directed by Terry Hands, who ran the Royal Shakespeare Company for 13 years and was choreographed by Debbie Allen. So it was it was a big money thing that just was sounds like not a very good idea.
It was a terrible idea. And I read it was terribly executed, too, in the end that just, you know, they really tried, though. I think that's the difference.
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Chapter 10: How did Broadway address social issues like racial integration in early musicals?
That's right. Yeah. So big thanks to those guys for letting the world know that we helped inspire that because that is quite an honor. And I think we would also be remiss to not say break a leg. That's right. Do you have anything else? I have nothing else. Okay. Well, since Chuck said he has nothing else and neither do I, I think it's time for Listener Mail.
Yeah, I'm gonna call this Rare Shoutout. We don't do shoutouts much just because we get a lot of requests to and it would just be shoutouts every week, but this one touched me. And this is from Cody in Raleigh, North Carolina. Hey guys, in 2018, my dad passed away leaving behind my mom. who, after 54 years of marriage, had never lived alone.
She struggles with grief and anxiety-induced insomnia as a result, so I suggested she listen to Stuff You Should Know for middle-of-the-night companionship to help her get her mind off her troubles. She did, and she's been a huge fan ever since. She calls you my guys, and this parasocial relationship has been a true lifesaver for her.
When I call her up day or night, the podcast is off and on in the background, keeping her company while she does dishes or rests. Y'all are about the same age as me and my brother, so she feels an auntie-like affection for you. Her 80th birthday is in April, and I believe we've already missed it by the time this would come out.
But I've been struggling with what to do for her as a fun surprise outside the party she's having this week. And Cody asked for us to send a video or something, but I said, how about this? We'll do a rare shout-out. and say hello to your wonderful mother on her 80th birthday, Bonnie Nichols. Bonnie, we love you, and we feel like you're our Auntie Bonnie as well.
And it makes me feel really happy to know that you're out there with us listening to us. So that parasocial relationship goes both ways. So happy birthday, Auntie.
Yeah, happy birthday, Bonnie. You can't see me right now, but I'm making a heart out of my hands.
Yeah, that's lovely.
That's really great. Seriously, thanks for listening to us, Bonnie. I'm glad we could help and keep you company. And if you want to be like Bonnie, wait, who was it that wrote in? Her son?
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