How the Flexner Report Changed Medicine

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Chuck Bryant 1:48
Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerjer Binks is here, too. And this is Stuff You Should Know about the Flexner Report.
Unknown 1:58
That's right. This was a suggestion by my wife.
Chuck Bryant 2:03
Oh, that's a good one.
Unknown 2:04
Yeah, Emily, of course, everyone knows that they listen to the show as an organic gardener and an herbalist. She said, has long asked me to do one on the Flexner Report, which is a report written in 1910. that did a lot of things, basically kind of revamped how medicine worked in the United States moving forward, in medical school in particular. But Emily was interested because another thing it did, a byproduct, was it basically completely squashed what we would now call alternative medicine, homeopathy, basically saying it has zero value and we're not doing that anymore.
Chuck Bryant 2:46
It sure did, Biff.
Unknown 2:48
Yeah, and it was also racist and sexist.
Chuck Bryant 2:51
It was definitely of its time. This is a document produced in 1910 for sure. Yeah. And it definitely stinks of eugenics and all that.
Unknown 2:59
Yeah. So it's one of those weird things where like you can see it from all sides because it did a lot of good and it also maybe didn't do some good in certain areas. Yeah.
Chuck Bryant 3:09
Yeah, for sure. And there's not many people who are like, no, the Flexner report sucks. It was all bad. Because if you enjoy being treated successfully for cancer, you can pretty much thank the Flexner report for that. But at the same time, yeah, if you believe that there are alternative therapies that are as good or better than medications, then, yeah, you probably don't like that part of the Flexner report. But I think on the whole, it was a good thing. There seems to be now among, you know, thinking people who don't just wade and wallow in dogma. saying, like, we need a new Flexner report for the 21st century because it's basically run its course and now, again, it's become dogma and we need to do something about that.
Unknown 3:57
Right. I think that's a great setup. And maybe we should paint a little bit of a picture about what medicine and medical school look like in the United States. Pre-Flexner report. It was bad. It was bad. I guess quickly we should say that Europe was doing it right before we were. Yeah. In France, especially, they had some pretty top notch medical schools where they embrace real science and were practicing medicine on people like as practice in colleges and stuff like that.

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