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Josh Clark 0:00
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Chuck Bryant 0:35
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Evan Ratliff 0:41
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Dani Shapiro 1:05
Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro.
Chuck Bryant 1:07
We were in the car, like a Rolling Stone came on, and he said, there's a line in there about your mother.
Unknown 1:12
And I said, what? What I would do if I didn't feel like I was being accepted is choose an identity that other people can't have.
Josh Clark 1:20
I knew something had happened to me in the middle of the night, but I couldn't hold on to what had happened. These are just a few of the moving and important stories on my 13th season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Chuck Bryant 1:38
Hey everybody, it's me, Josh, and I thought for my picks this year, I would kick off 2026 with a very sweet, moving, and also eye-opening episode on forgiveness. It turns out all of us have the capacity to forgive, but that's not always the best course of action for any given circumstance. This episode also has a lot of really great stories of amazing acts of forgiveness by people who forgave others against all odds. It's a good episode and I hope you enjoy it and I hope your year is going wonderfully so far.
Dani Shapiro 2:14
Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
Chuck Bryant 2:24
Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff You Should Know. Some philosophical waxing is going to happen in this one. I think it's inevitable, Chuck. That's right, and Don Henley songs. Oh, yeah, that's a good one too. Heart of the Matter? Mm-hmm. You like it? Sure. All right. That part was like, I'm learning to live without you now. It stirs my soul every time. Forgiveness. Yeah. You'd have to be dead inside to not be stirred by that part. I agree. It's good. Good song. But he really kind of nails it in that because he's talking about forgiveness. And the heart of the matter. Sure. Yeah. And he wants forgiveness. He needs forgiveness, even if, like, it's the end of the relationship.
Chuck Bryant 3:18
Yeah, even if she doesn't love him anymore. Sure. So on the one hand, that is a certain kind of forgiveness that an individual or person can—that's a path someone can set down. Right. But there's been a lot of research starting in the very beginning stages at the middle of the 20th century, but really picking up in the 90s. Research into forgiveness, like legitimate scientific research. And it's a multidisciplinary thing because there's a lot of different fields. Disciplines? Sure. That have said, hey, this actually – this is something we can study and measure and produce articles and work on. And they have. They've produced some really good legitimate work. But what most of them have been focused on is not the Don Henley position of somebody who needs to be redeemed, who needs redemption to feel better, who needs forgiveness –
Chuck Bryant 4:13
But rather the person doing the forgiving, the person who is originally transgressed against. Not the offender, but the offendee. That's where most of the research has been done on forgiveness.

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