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Selects: Sammy Davis Jr: National Treasure

18 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. 2%. That's the number of people who take the stairs when there is also an escalator available. I'm Michael Easter. And on my podcast, 2%, I break down the science of mental toughness, fitness, and building resilience in our strange modern world.

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Put yourself through some hardships, and you will come out on the other side a happier, more fulfilled, healthier person. Listen to 2%, that's T-W-O percent, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back At It podcast. 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English.

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Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s.

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56.064 - 61.551 Chuck Bryant

84 was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

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Listen to Look Back At It on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that. Trust your girlfriends.

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Listen to The Girlfriends, Trust Me Babe, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I got you, I got you.

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Hey guys, it's me, Josh, and for this week's SYSK Select, I've chosen our February 2020 episode on Sammy Davis Jr. If I'm not mistaken, this is where I, you, and the rest of the world finds out that Chuck does a killer Sammy Davis Jr. impression, thus buoying the podcast for years to come. I don't think anything else is needed to be said about this one. Just enjoy. Enjoy.

129.766 - 133.701 Chuck Bryant

Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

139.452 - 155.957 Josh Clark

Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's guest producer Dylan sitting in again, like a great guy. Like a cool cat, baby. I thought you were doing evil German doctor for a second, and then I figured it out.

Chapter 2: How did Sammy Davis Jr. rise to fame?

324.938 - 326.68 Josh Clark

Although, again, they didn't take a little person.

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326.7 - 327.161 Chuck Bryant

No, they didn't.

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328.182 - 331.086 Josh Clark

Boy, this is a really controversial episode right out of the gate.

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331.427 - 359.445 Chuck Bryant

Well, there's a lot of sort of... I mean, he was a complicated guy who was... You know, his father was black. His mother was Puerto Rican. Right. He eventually would endorse two presidents, both Kennedy and Nixon. He served in the army. He was a rat packer. He was... shunned by racists and also shunned sometimes within his own black community. Yeah, like a little pinball getting bounced around.

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359.846 - 386.1 Chuck Bryant

And Little is right. He was also a little guy who always, I think, had a complex about his height, about his looks. He had this weird sort of underbite jaw that would jut out to one side when he talked. Just a really fascinating guy that was super, super talented and had his little tiny fingers and a lot of pies...

386.08 - 394.268 Chuck Bryant

From, you know, singing and dancing and performing live and in movies and on TV and just really, really fascinating guy.

394.688 - 402.155 Josh Clark

Yeah, when you look back at the Rat Pack, he was the one that brought the actual talent to the Rat Pack. Like Sinatra could sing, Dean Martin could sing.

402.536 - 404.477 Chuck Bryant

Everyone in the Rat Pack was talented.

404.517 - 428.703 Josh Clark

Right, right. But he was multi-talented, like dancing, doing impressions. Yeah. He had like a little gunslinger routine for a while. Dude, did you see any of that? I did. He's amazing. I watched a PBS documentary for their series American Masters on him. And it was like an hour, almost two hours long. And it was really in-depth and really good.

Chapter 3: What challenges did Sammy Davis Jr. face in his career?

754.968 - 774.554 Josh Clark

And so when he got to the Army and was confronted with it full on, he approached it differently. Whereas some of his contemporaries in the Army who were black just kind of kept their head down and tried to go along and get along. He would fight back. He would not back down. He would not step down.

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774.594 - 799.943 Josh Clark

And he spent a lot of time in the Army physically fighting white racists who were trying to make things hard for him. And apparently at some point he fought one guy and won. He beat up some white guy. who had done something racist to him. I'm not sure what it was. And then after the fight, the guy beaten said, you know, you may have beaten me, but you're still black.

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800.176 - 810.072 Josh Clark

And apparently this got to Sammy Davis Jr. in such a way that it just transformed his approach, that he realized, like, he could fight white boys his whole life.

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810.113 - 810.333 Chuck Bryant

Yeah.

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810.714 - 824.396 Josh Clark

And probably win some of the fights, probably get beat up a lot of the fights. He had his nose broken at least twice. But that it wasn't going to get him anywhere. And so he decided then and there that what he could do is fight prejudice through his performing.

824.677 - 824.817 Unknown

Mm-hmm.

824.797 - 839.869 Josh Clark

that he would be such a good performer, he would transcend race, at least while he was performing. And he managed to do that, or as much as anybody ever has in the history, in modern history, at least in the United States.

839.967 - 860.147 Chuck Bryant

Yeah, so he's discharged in the Army in 1945, goes right back to the Mastin Trio and touring with them. And he was sort of, even though he was just a little kid growing up in that trio, he was sort of the star still. Yeah, little Sammy. Little Sammy. Like little Stevie Wonder.

860.788 - 880.143 Josh Clark

Yeah, he actually, Chuck, he won his first contest at age three. Yeah. at like an amateur hour or amateur night. And he sang, I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal, you. That's what he knocked the house down at age three. And that was the formal start to his show business.

Chapter 4: How did Sammy Davis Jr. navigate racial issues in his life?

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Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves.

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Listen to The Girlfriends, Trust Me Babe, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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1228.835 - 1239.652 Chuck Bryant

So Sammy Davis Jr. wrote a bunch of memoirs and autobiographies over the years, and one of them is a very great Spinal Tap joke. What? I know you still haven't seen it, right?

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1240.513 - 1243.838 Josh Clark

I saw it, but I've only seen it once, and it was a couple years ago.

1243.858 - 1264.159 Chuck Bryant

Oh, okay. So one of his—I think his first one was called Yes, I Can. Sure. And there's a great scene in Spinal Tap when Bruno Kirby, as a limo driver— is talking about it, and he said something about, yes, I can. He said, although the real title should have been, yes, I can, if Frank says it's okay, because Frank called the shots for all those guys.

1265 - 1266.521 Josh Clark

That's right. I remember that, too.

1266.541 - 1267.302 Chuck Bryant

It's a very funny joke.

1267.322 - 1269.445 Josh Clark

Like, he just keeps going off about that, doesn't he?

Chapter 5: What role did Sammy Davis Jr. play in the civil rights movement?

1440.748 - 1457.019 Chuck Bryant

But everyone, you know, apparently it's debatable whether or not it was an Oscar party, after party or not. But regardless, there were a lot of Hollywood people there. Including Bogey and his Rat Pack. Sure. The original Rat Pack, which wasn't called the Rat Pack.

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1457.54 - 1458.401 Josh Clark

No, it was actually.

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1458.602 - 1458.862 Chuck Bryant

It was?

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1459.223 - 1459.924 Josh Clark

Yeah.

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1460.09 - 1479.752 Chuck Bryant

Well, why did—oh, never mind. I'm not going down that rabbit hole. What? That's all right. Okay. So he kills it there. He's doing impressions of people that are in the audience. Everyone loves him. They sign with the William Morris Agency, and an overnight sensation, you know, 20, 30 years in the making starts happening.

1479.833 - 1500.678 Josh Clark

Yeah, and we should say, so Sammy Davis Jr. became known for his impressions. He was groundbreaking in the sense that he would do impressions of white people. And up to the time Sammy Davis Jr. started doing impressions of white people, if you're a black performer, you could do impressions of other black people, and that was it. It was just not okay for you to do white people. Sammy Davis Jr.

1500.698 - 1520.229 Josh Clark

just started doing white people, and the white people loved it. And at that show at C-Rose, he was doing impressions of some of the people in the crowd. Like, he did a killer Cary Grant. And Cary Grant was a member of Humphrey Bogart's Rat Pack. And he was probably there that night. So there were a lot of people who were getting impressions done of them. They just loved it. Killed.

1520.87 - 1530.225 Josh Clark

And I think Janice Page said, I was the headliner tonight. I think these guys should be the headliner from now on. Which is pretty cool of her to do that, you know? It's amazing.

1530.256 - 1546.065 Chuck Bryant

Yeah. So he gets a record deal after that. He's putting out like show tunes, old standards. Sure. He does a pilot in the mid-50s with his father and uncle about a trio of black entertainers that are kind of struggling called We Three.

Chapter 6: What were the personal struggles of Sammy Davis Jr.?

1750.109 - 1763.725 Chuck Bryant

Three-way split. Yeah. And that's what they did. He ensured contractually that they would get a three-way split that endured 10 years after he left as a solo performer. He was still giving them 33% each.

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1763.89 - 1783.387 Josh Clark

Yeah, for 15 years total, they got a third of the profits, each of them. And, yeah, they were, you know, originally they were still doing their Vegas show as the Will Mastin Trio featuring Sammy Davis Jr. But then over time, you know, remember his uncle and his dad were a good 20 years older than him.

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Yeah.

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1783.567 - 1803.753 Josh Clark

By this time, he's in his 30s. So, you know, they're starting to get, they're losing their step a little bit. So they start to not be in the show quite as much, just stepping back. But even still, he made sure they were taken care of for another 15 years. A third, a third. And this is a third during Sammy Davis Jr. 's peak earning years.

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1804.193 - 1824.699 Josh Clark

So he got one third of what he would have gotten had he just basically said, Dad, Uncle Will, thank you for teaching me everything I know. I'm going to move on now. Best of luck. Let me know if you need a loan. Instead, he just took a third of what he could have gotten and gave the other two-thirds to those two, which is for 15 years, Chuck. That's really amazing.

1824.719 - 1845.49 Chuck Bryant

It's pretty great. So that pen, it actually wasn't in there that long. We can go ahead and take the pen out. Because he, after that first meeting with a rabbi, he reads more and more about Judaism. He draws a correlation between the plight of the Jewish people and the plight of black people. And it really spoke to him. And he converted. And some people said, oh, this is a big publicity stunt.

1846.231 - 1863.206 Chuck Bryant

He's like, no, this is not a publicity stunt. He said, this is my new religion. And he very humorously started referring to himself as a one-eyed black Jew. Sometimes a one-eyed black Puerto Rican Jew. Black Puerto Rican Jew, which was very sort of in keeping with his self-deprecating style.

1863.707 - 1867.955 Josh Clark

For sure. He's like Tim Watley. He converted for the jokes.

1867.975 - 1895.41 Chuck Bryant

Oh, man, I remember that one. I've been plowing through Seinfeld again. Yeah. One of my favorite things that always gets me is when Jerry calls George Biff— It never fails to make me laugh. Biff. So good. Let's not take another break. Let's plow on here, right? Yeah, sure. All right, so dating-wise, he is dating black women and white women.

Chapter 7: How did Sammy Davis Jr.'s relationships impact his life?

2111.697 - 2118.247 Josh Clark

This is at a time when there were laws that prevented black men and white women or vice versa to marry.

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2118.347 - 2119.669 Chuck Bryant

Yeah, it wasn't legal yet.

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2119.75 - 2148.272 Josh Clark

No. So the idea of one of his biggest stars, Kim Novak, marrying a black man, he decided that he just couldn't take that risk business-wise, and so he threatened Sammy Davis Jr. Whatever the reason was, Sammy Davis Jr. really bristled under that. And so in 1960, this was a few years after he had to break it off with Kim Novak, he got married to a woman, a Swedish actress named Mai Britt.

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2148.252 - 2169.592 Josh Clark

And he had children with her and was married to her, but he also ran around on her almost constantly from what I understand. And you get the impression that Mai was in part a—I'll just put it as PG as possible—thumbing his nose at— at all of the racists out there who took Kim Novak from him.

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2169.812 - 2178.65 Josh Clark

He was saying, I think as somebody put it, I'm big enough now that you can't tell me who to marry, and I'm going to marry this beautiful six-foot white woman.

2178.93 - 2181.415 Chuck Bryant

Yeah, who looks like Margot Robbie, sort of.

2181.698 - 2203.585 Josh Clark

She does. Yeah, she does a little bit. I hadn't put my finger on it. And their children were incredibly beautiful, thanks largely to their mom, too. But they had three kids together, and they were married for eight years. And I think it's very sad because my Brit immediately lost her career. So she gave up her career to be with Sammy Davis Jr. I don't know.

2203.625 - 2224.594 Josh Clark

She must have fallen in love with him because she had three kids with him too. But she gave up a lot and he gave up nothing. And I think that it was very unfair on his part to ask for what he asked for from her and give so little in return.

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Yeah.

Chapter 8: What is the legacy of Sammy Davis Jr. today?

2546.929 - 2548.752 Josh Clark

Because this is your pick, right?

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2548.832 - 2572.963 Chuck Bryant

Yeah, yeah. I've always been pretty fascinated with him. Because we haven't even gotten to the super weird and interesting stuff. Yeah, right. Which happens in the 70s. So in the 60s is when – and possibly because of the JFK treatment is when he really starts to get more socially aware, starts donating money to the cause and marches at Selma for the civil rights efforts.

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2574.407 - 2596.05 Chuck Bryant

He – when he supported Nixon – It was not just a thumbing of the nose at Kennedy, but he bought into Nixon and thought that it was going to be a good choice for black America. He regretted that later on, of course. Sure. But it wasn't just a poopy pants move like, hey, well, I'm going to support Nixon now because you disinvited me.

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2596.283 - 2618.8 Josh Clark

Exactly. And so one of the other reasons that he embraced Nixon was that Nixon embraced him as a human being and really stood in stark contrast to the treatment he received from Kennedy. And in that Nixon... actually seemed to really like Sammy Davis Jr. A lot of people are like, the Nixon administration was just using Sammy Davis Jr.

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2618.84 - 2643.545 Josh Clark

They were at the same time using what's called the Southern strategy, which is they were stoking racism among Southern whites to get them to turn on the Democrats. But He also apparently really did like Sammy Davis Jr. and admired him. And under Nixon's administration, this tastes like bitter acid saying this, Sammy Davis Jr. became the first black person to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.

2644.567 - 2644.667

Yeah.

2644.647 - 2669.223 Josh Clark

And apparently Sammy Davis Jr. was an avid Lincoln fan. And sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom with some of Abraham Lincoln and Mary Todd Lincoln's personal effects in this room just blew him away. Oh, I'm sure. And that was actually how he ended up in Vietnam doing this USO tour in 1972. He said, what can I do to help? And Nixon said, that would probably help a lot.

2669.644 - 2689.63 Josh Clark

But that just contributed even further to his alienation from not just black people, but young black people too. Because it was a really tone deaf move actually. as I saw it described at the time, that was not the kind of thing you did. Vietnam was so unpopular that even the troops weren't particularly supported at home.

2689.91 - 2712.717 Josh Clark

You know, it's not like today where it's like, you know, we really, really hate this, you know, these endless wars. We really disagree with the, you know, the hawks and the military industrial complex that supports us. But We're still going to be supportive of the troops who have to go there, who are over there, whether by their own choice or – well, I guess it's all volunteer army.

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