Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hey, and welcome to The Short Step. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and it's just us right now, but that's okay because we have a third and fourth man with us today in the form of Jerry and Dave.
That's right. I feel, I sense their presence.
I do too. And they're guiding us on. They're saying, come on, you guys, you can finish the short stuff. It's going to be a good one. I can feel it, Chuck. I think we're going to be okay. We just demonstrated a really weird phenomenon. Pretty well, if you ask me. I think we did a great job just now. Everyone's saying so. But we just demonstrated this weird phenomenon called the third man syndrome.
Okay. There's an author named John Geiger who, for some reason, changed syndrome to factor. But that's typically what's called a third man syndrome. And like I said, it's weird, Chuck. Take it away.
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Chapter 2: What is Third Man Syndrome and how does it manifest?
Yeah, waiting for the ice to break up enough to try to make an attempt by whaling boat over to Elephant Island, which is the closest island. And they made it. They rode for six days before they reached Elephant Island, which was great. They weren't on the ice anymore, but they were on a deserted island. Which is probably cold. Yeah, I'm thinking it's pretty cold too. And again, this is 1914.
They're not like, you know, picking up the sat phone and saying like, hey, can somebody come get us? Like they've got a real problem here. So they're stranded on this deserted island. And the closest place where there's other people where they actually can get in touch and say, hey, somebody come get us, is a whaling station on South Georgia Island. And that's 800 miles away.
So Ernest Shackleton says, got to keep going. Whittles down to a few men, I think six, five or six other people. And they actually rode 800 miles from Antarctica to South Georgia Island.
Yeah, so they get there 16 days later. It turns out they landed on the wrong side of the island because the winds blew them off course. And so this guy was undaunted still. He took two guys. I think you see where this is headed, even though the math is still wrong. And they made the rest of the way on foot. It's about 18 miles or 30 kilometers away.
And through some pretty treacherous conditions, took about 36 hours. They finally get there and everyone ends up being rescued like that's the good news. But this is that last push is when Shackleton feels the presence of this additional person urging them on.
Yeah, because this is like they've reached the limit of their endurance and they're still going on. And so Shackleton sensed it, but he never said anything about it until he wrote his book, South. It was published in 1919. But he did say something to the other two people who were with him. One was Captain Worsley. And Worsley said, yeah, I had the same feeling, actually.
And so did Crean, the other guy on this expedition. They all sensed. Another person, in this case, a fourth person with them kind of basically comforting them to some to some degree. So that seemed in and of itself pretty cool. And I guess the word of this got out because T.S. Eliot, he's frequently cited as the person who who coined the term third man syndrome.
As far as I can tell, no one knows who actually is. took this T.S. Eliot poem and turned it into Third Man Syndrome. But it actually, it did come indisputably from this T.S. Eliot poem from 1922.
Yeah, so, well, The Wasteland was the poem, and again, he was wrong on the math. He should have called it The Fourth Man, but this is kind of the funniest part. T.S. Eliot said that he couldn't remember who inspired this, like which expedition it was when asked why the number of people was four and not three, or three and not four, rather.
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Chapter 3: Who was Ernest Shackleton and what was his experience with Third Man Syndrome?
I would name mine. What would you name yours?
I don't know. It depends. I think it would hit me in a moment, but it seems like the respectful thing to do and not just say, hey, you, thanks for all that. Right.
Yeah. And just a little word of advice. If you can't come up with the name, just go with Tim.
Tim, that's pretty good. Scientifically, I mean, you might be wondering, like, well, what's happening here? And no one really knows. It's kind of one of those things where they think it may be some, like, hardwired, innate instinct that just kind of kicks in. You know, obviously, you can't study something like this. And if it is hardwired, we may all have it.
But luckily, most of us aren't ever in that situation, you know.
Right. Like you you not only have to be in this limit of your endurance life or death situation, you also have to survive it to come back and tell everybody about it, too. So you would imagine like this is a pretty small population of people. Yeah. I mean, clearly, just from the few stories that John Geiger was able to collect. Did you see the thing about the bicameral mind theory?
So remember our episode on the bicameral mind from Julian James? And basically, just for people who aren't familiar, this is a hypothesis that all the way up until like the Bronze Age, people hadn't fully become conscious like we think of consciousness today. Yeah. And so the voices in their head that we call an inner dialogue, where we know we're talking to ourselves.
To them, this was the gods speaking to them, guiding them, instructing them. So this idea is the third man syndrome is kind of this vestigial, bicameral experience that people used to have, where what seems like something outside of your mind is helping you, urging you on, guiding you. But really, it's just another part of your mind that gets kicked in.
Yeah, I love it, which kind of jibes with the first theory anyway. You know, it's not like that doesn't cancel it out, right?
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