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SYSK’s Fall True Crime Playlist: The Tale of the Bloody Benders

26 Sep 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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28.499 - 40.631 Josh Clark

For more on Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, please visit Gentleman'sCutBourbon.com. Please enjoy responsibly. Hi, Kyle. Could you draw up a quick document with the basic business plan? Just one page as a Google Doc and send me the link. Thanks.

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46.056 - 66.951 Josh Clark

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67.712 - 84.44 Josh Clark

My best-selling book, The Big Short, tells the story of the buildup and burst of the US housing market back in 2008. A decade ago, The Big Short was made into an Academy Award-winning movie. Now I'm bringing it to you for the first time. as an audiobook narrated by yours truly.

84.921 - 106.25 Josh Clark

The Big Short story, what it means to bet against the market, and who really pays for an unchecked financial system, is as relevant today as it's ever been. Get The Big Short now at pushkin.fm slash audiobooks, or wherever audiobooks are sold. This mind-boggling episode is an old-timey, true-crimey.

106.711 - 124.827 Josh Clark

It concerns one of the worst families to ever set up shop in Kansas, which is really saying something. In the early 1870s, the Bender family's surreptitious killing spree, carried out in their own home no less, resulted in the murders of at least 21 people, which are in the family they nicknamed the Bloody Benders.

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This episode will knock your socks off, assuming they're still on your feet after the other episodes so far.

Chapter 2: What historical context surrounds the Bloody Benders?

350.175 - 370.592 Josh Clark

Just pick up your bags and head west. That's precisely right. And so a lot of them stopped in Kansas. Again, this was the frontier. But people were still going west, too. So as we'll find out, this family, the Bender family, kind of put up a claim or set down a claim. They did something with the claim. I'm not quite up on my, like, old prospector terminology. They claimed something. Yeah.

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370.572 - 388.692 Josh Clark

Yeah, on this road that kind of kept leading west. And they set up a tavern, an inn, for people to stop in, which is neither here nor there quite yet. But I just kind of wanted to foreshadow that there's going to be a tavern coming in the future. That's right. And that's probably a generous term for what they set up. Yeah.

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388.812 - 413.884 Josh Clark

It was a pretty remote, I guess, you know, not to make too many Kansas jokes, but it was a pretty remote part of Kansas in southeastern Kansas in 1870. It was not Cherryvale yet, but it would eventually become Cherryvale. Right. And at first, the two gentlemen arrived, John Bender Sr. He was around 60 years old. People called him Paa. He didn't talk a lot.

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When he did talk, it was mostly in German. And then he was with a younger guy in his 20s. And, you know, we're going to say things like identified as his son or, you know, may or may not have been the daughter. Like this is because of a lot of things, partially just, you know, a lot of record keeping back then wasn't super solid.

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especially when it turns out you may be using aliases and you may be faking that you're a family or you may actually be a family. Like no one really knows for sure the facts of this. But John Bender Jr. was with him. And he also occasionally went by an alias, put a pin in this one, named John Gebhardt. Chris Gebhardt. He's a comedian. He's great. I know.

460.347 - 486.338 Josh Clark

But apparently John Gebhardt or John Bender Jr. was a bit of a comedian himself. Sort of. But from some reports, he was his own audience and no one else was. So to put it another way, he apparently laughed at stuff like inappropriately, like Dr. Hibbert. And also at times when – exactly. That was a great John Bender Jr. impression, by the way. I appreciate it.

486.318 - 504.804 Josh Clark

But at times where people were like, this guy ain't quite right. And he also talked a lot. So he was kind of an odd fixture as well, as we'll find out the whole family was. Yeah, he had a German accent but did speak fluent English, and some people think he may have been intellectually disabled.

505.966 - 531.128 Josh Clark

Looking at kind of some of the things that happened, it seems like – I don't know about clear, but at a time in 1870, they wouldn't have been categorizing people as such anyway. Yeah. No, for sure. But from the articles of the time, that's what I'm going with from now on, nobody said anything even remotely like that. I saw it on one, I think, Crime Reads article, and that was about it.

531.508 - 557.639 Josh Clark

I just got the impression that he was really kind of weird and almost like a Jethro Clampett type. That's who he reminds me of. Okay. So what they built on their 160 acres was – you called it a tavern. I call it just a big room, kind of like a bunkhouse maybe. They called it – or Livia, who helped us with this, called it a foothouse. But it was 16 feet wide, 24 feet long.

Chapter 3: Who were the members of the Bender family?

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And one of the bodies was identified as a man named William Jones. And he had been carrying known to have been carrying about two hundred and fifty dollars, which at the time was like a lot of money to today. Six grand close to it. OK. And he was going to pay off his mortgage for his homestead, which is something people did at that time, too. It's another thing that made it dangerous.

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1139.538 - 1159.626 Josh Clark

A lot of people were walking around with a lot of cash because they were going to buy land, pay off mortgages, do God knows what. And there weren't banks. So they were traveling with cash. And this guy was exactly that. And there was a farmer whose land he was found on that was initially accused. But they were like, I don't think it was him. So he got off. But I'm sure he was like, wait, what?

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What? No, it wasn't me.

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1161.723 - 1188.388 Josh Clark

Yeah, and the way he got off, too, was kind of frustrating as a crime enthusiast reader because they investigated it, and they found that the wagon that dropped him had a very distinctive track that one of the back wheels was off-center. And I kept waiting for that to come back. It's like, remember that wagon? That's what eventually led to the killers, but spoiler alert, that does not happen.

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Yeah.

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So don't put a pin in it. Take the pin out of that. Yeah. Just throw that pin away. Break it in two. So the thing about I think one of the reasons why people started getting hot under the collar about these murders too is that this area got a really bad reputation really fast. Like it was like you avoid the spot as best you can.

1208.052 - 1227.079 Josh Clark

Like maybe go out of your way to avoid this area on the Osage Trail because people just wind up missing there. And that kind of got people – Aware of like the whole problem that the area was facing, but they didn't know who it was. And they certainly hadn't centered on the benders.

1227.119 - 1243.686 Josh Clark

The benders just had a reputation as being odd and possibly a little maybe violently unusual, but not murderers by any stretch. They just weren't suspected for a really long time. Violently unusual. Yeah.

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