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Stuff You Should Know

The Tragic Life of Vincent Van Gogh

02 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What were Vincent Van Gogh's early influences and upbringing?

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Chapter 2: How did Van Gogh's mental health affect his art?

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172.262 - 173.985 Joe Jonas

Can we talk about Van Gogh?

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174.005 - 183.938 Josh Clark

Yeah, that's what I was saying. We have bandages around our heads because we are in solidarity. That's what I meant to say. With a really great guy.

184.323 - 186.686 Joe Jonas

Yeah. Have you ever seen any of the Van Gogh movies?

186.707 - 194.558 Josh Clark

I watched one last night. It was a documentary, but it was the documentary, the one where David Bowie plays Andy Warhol.

199.005 - 200.587 Joe Jonas

Which one did Bowie play Warhol in?

201.008 - 202.109 Josh Clark

Basquiat.

Chapter 3: What significant events marked Van Gogh's time in Paris?

320.38 - 342.208 Joe Jonas

We've talked to, we've done quite a few shows about this kind of thing over the years. And my appreciation for art has grown sort of in lockstep. Uh, I've always sort of like Van Gogh stuff for sure. Uh, but I like him even more now that I kind of understand that, you know, he never, well, I mean, most people, if they know anything about Van Gogh, no, he never gained fame in his lifetime, uh,

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342.188 - 361.311 Joe Jonas

But he certainly never tried to achieve fame as an artist by like painting what he thought people might want to see. He always painted what he, you know, his surroundings. And like you said, depending on where he lived, that varied. And also, it seems like really from the heart and his deep, deep emotions, which I have a lot of respect for.

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361.291 - 371.346 Josh Clark

Yeah. And in that sense, he was a pioneer. Same for me, too, by the way. I really came to like him even more. I think we both came from the same exact spot and ended up in about the same exact spot, too.

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374.291 - 397.873 Josh Clark

One thing I saw that kind of explained him to me, at least, was that he wanted to share the things he saw, the beauty he saw everywhere with the world. Because it was so beautiful. He wanted to provide that to the world, not in any kind of egotistical way or anything like that, but just like, this is so pretty. I'm going to try my best to express how this makes me feel and show the world.

398.374 - 405.068 Josh Clark

And then very sadly, the world was like, that's not very good. We don't want that. Thanks for sharing, but keep it to yourself.

405.824 - 422.901 Joe Jonas

Yeah, that's tough. I mean, in fact, in one letter to his brother, Theo, he said his only anxiety was how can I be of use in the world? And his, you know, what he came to was to be an artist and that he really thought that had, and he was right, had a lot of value and that's how he would serve in a way.

422.961 - 424.204 Josh Clark

Right, right.

424.184 - 424.786 Joe Jonas

Kind of cool.

Chapter 4: How did Van Gogh's relationship with his brother Theo impact his career?

520.884 - 536.642 Joe Jonas

But his parents didn't know what to do with him, so they sent him to boarding school for about four years from 12 to 16, at which point he was like, you know what, I'm going to get involved in the art world in the way of being sort of like an apprentice to a dealer. And he learned about the sales side.

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536.791 - 543.426 Josh Clark

Yeah, I get the impression he kind of fell into the art world because it was almost a family business, selling art was.

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543.811 - 544.692 Joe Jonas

The impression?

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545.934 - 548.798 Josh Clark

Yeah. Put that in your pipe and smoke it later, right?

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549.7 - 550.601 Joe Jonas

Yeah, I think you're probably right.

551.462 - 601.189 Josh Clark

So he worked there for, I think, seven years, yeah, until about age 23. And it was during this period that he fell into what I think is viewed as his first true episode of depression, his bout of real depression. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And that would trigger some of his depressive episodes. But as a result, his uncle or whoever ran his uncle's art dealership was like, sorry, you're fired.

601.844 - 624.122 Joe Jonas

Yeah. So he lost that job, but he did learn about the world of art and sort of the business of art, even though he didn't, like I say, kind of kowtow to the business side of things. He got interested in religion for a little while after that job and was a, I guess, an unordained or unlicensed preacher for about four years. He never got a theology degree or anything, but

624.102 - 646.183 Joe Jonas

He did this work, sort of missionary work in Belgium and sort of the poorest parts of Belgium and coal country at the time. And he wanted to, you know, very admirably didn't want to put on airs. And he lived as the people around him lived and was very open and shared what he had with his parishioners. But the church wasn't wild about that idea.

646.203 - 651.848 Joe Jonas

I think they thought it was sort of beneath the parish. So he got fired from that job as a preacher.

Chapter 5: What is the story behind Van Gogh's famous ear-cutting incident?

759.918 - 778.22 Joe Jonas

So he thought, you know, maybe I should study this stuff. Off and on, he lived with his parents, but that never worked out very well as that happened sometimes in real life. He found them fairly suffocating. And so he would sort of move around in between the Netherlands and Belgium for a period of years.

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778.721 - 795.808 Joe Jonas

That's not to say his family as a whole didn't support him because Theo, as we'll see, was always very supportive. He was working in the art world. He worked for a big dealer and he was very sort of hip to the art scene. Theo was right. And, you know, what was moving and he would end up representing Belgium.

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795.788 - 807.828 Joe Jonas

Not only his brother, who was not popular, but other artists who were not popular in critical circles like Monet and Gauguin and old Le Trecq, Henri Toulouse Le Trecq.

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807.888 - 828.993 Josh Clark

Yeah, like his brother had that foresight that was like, these new Impressionist guys, I like what they're doing. Yeah, I mean, he knew it was up. But he also very importantly saw, like, my brother actually has something here. This is a good decision that he became an artist. It was not at all patronizing, even though Theo was his patron, which is kind of confusing.

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829.013 - 855.747 Josh Clark

He genuinely believed in his brother's ability. And he very happily was like, I'm going to give you a monthly allowance that I saw was about equal to a minimum wage, what somebody would earn minimum wage. And it kept him, it kept Vincent in the art supplies. I think he spent 80% of it on art supplies and the other 20% on just living. But he was able to live like that and just produce art.

855.767 - 857.048 Josh Clark

And that's what Theo wanted.

857.72 - 877.889 Joe Jonas

Yeah. And Vincent said, don't patronize me. And he said, well, that's tricky because technically I am. Exactly. And that was about 20 percent of Theo's income. So it was not, you know, chicken scratch. He wasn't making a ton of money himself. His cousin was also very supportive of him in the way of teaching him. His name was Anton Mauve.

878.13 - 892.62 Joe Jonas

And he literally quite literally taught him like how to paint with oil, how to paint with watercolors. And he had that I guess it was that same same uncle who he worked for would commission works and pay him occasionally to like, you know, paint stuff for him.

892.752 - 915.857 Josh Clark

Yeah, it's like in art circles, Van Gogh is like very frequently cited as like only having sold one painting during his lifetime. That's not correct. Not exactly. But if you, you know, if you want to get technical, he sold several paintings, but they were like family and friends and stuff like that. He did sell one painting to one person he wasn't an acquaintance of. That's true.

Chapter 6: What were the major themes in Van Gogh's later works?

1031.748 - 1049.71 Josh Clark

And he nailed it. It's also, it's bleak and grim in a way, but at the same time, the people almost appear noble. But they're blocky and cartoonish almost. Yeah. As far as their forms go. And that was all intentional, but everybody was like, this is terrible.

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1050.061 - 1070.875 Joe Jonas

Yeah. People didn't love it. He was sending these paintings to Theo to like, hey, man, sell these. And hopefully that can kind of help pay you back. But he couldn't sell any of them at the time. And he took him to the art market in Paris there. But no one was into that. You know, his sort of I don't want to say dour, but I guess it was fairly gloomy. Just his color palette, at least.

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1071.836 - 1093.838 Joe Jonas

This would all change, though. In 1885, his father died. And he painted, you know, very much in tribute to his father, something called Still Life with Bible, which shows sort of the contrast between himself and his father and their ideals, because obviously the open Bible on the table was representing his father. But there was also another novel.

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1093.818 - 1113.48 Joe Jonas

And it was a socialist book by a socialist writer named Emil, I guess, Zola. And it was like, you know, here's a contrast between my father and I. I paint this in tribute, but I got to get out of here now. Like he needed a change in his life, I think, because of his father's passing. He wanted to move.

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1114 - 1140.467 Josh Clark

Yeah, and he definitely did. He moved to Paris. I don't know if he moved in with Theo, but that would be my great guess. Either way, Theo was living and working there, and he moved to be close to Theo. Theo introduced him to those artists he was repping in his circle. Like you said, Monet and Pizarro and Toulouse-Lautrec. Van Gogh was hanging out with all of these guys and learning from them.

1140.767 - 1160.41 Josh Clark

But at the same time, He was also impressing them, too. And when he moved to Paris, something changed and he dropped those really gloomy colors in favor for like an increasingly bright, colorful palette that like Paris somehow triggered that in him.

1161.031 - 1183.698 Joe Jonas

Yeah. You know, you can never or it's easy, I guess, rather than to go back after someone has passed and sort of judge their work compared to where they were in their life and think like you can kind of figure out things. But I guess my armchair psychology degree would point me in the direction of like. almost being freed up a little bit by his father's passing as well.

1185.26 - 1203.475 Joe Jonas

I know it upset him, but I think it also freed him up. So maybe that and the move to Paris, even though, as we'll see, he wasn't very much a city guy. I don't think it was a coincidence that all of a sudden things kind of brightened in his life a little bit. Or it could have just been the ups and downs of his fragile mental state.

1204.18 - 1224.973 Josh Clark

Yeah, it could be either, but I think you dug up an equally compelling idea. Where did you get your armchair psychology degree? Just right here on my armchair. Oh, okay. Well, you're a credit to your armchair. Yeah, the right arm. Is it a Lazy Boy? Is it Ethan Allen? Oh, you know it's a Lazy Boy, buddy. Okay, gotcha.

Chapter 7: How did Van Gogh's art gain recognition after his death?

1253.017 - 1274.046 Josh Clark

In between that time, he painted almost 900 paintings, many, many, many of them masterpieces. So in a 10-year period, everything you know about Van Gogh happened. And really, you can kind of narrow it down to essentially the last three years of his life that were the most productive where he really came into his own.

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1274.313 - 1297.13 Joe Jonas

Yeah, that website you sent kind of broke down his productivity by location. And his five years in the Netherlands, he painted about four paintings a month, so 245. A couple of years in Paris, painted 227, so 10 paintings per month. His 14 months, as we'll see in, what would that be, Arles? Is that how you pronounce that? Arles. Arles, okay.

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1297.15 - 1299.394 Josh Clark

It does sound like you're choking on a hard-boiled egg.

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1301.33 - 1314.729 Joe Jonas

About 14 paintings a month over 14 months. And then Saint-RƩmy, is that right? 18 per month. And then finally, man, he was up to a painting per day by the time he ended up in that last place in France.

1315.05 - 1326.686 Josh Clark

Yeah. Like just a stunning number of painting and complete oil paintings. Not like he half started one or something like that. These were completed paintings. Like that usually takes a day and a half, not a day.

1327.167 - 1331.525 Joe Jonas

Right. Yeah, I can't paint anything. I can paint a wall.

1333.19 - 1334.976 Josh Clark

Yeah, I could probably paint a wall in a day.

1335.497 - 1338.025 Joe Jonas

Yeah. You don't have artistic talent like that either, do you?

Chapter 8: What legacy did Vincent Van Gogh leave in the art world?

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