On a trip to Philadelphia, Maria meets Suave’s new romantic partner and visits the home they share. He’s in a stable, happy relationship…but after three decades behind bars, sometimes a girlfriend can feel like a prison guard, and Suave struggles with the idea of commitment. In fact, relationships in general—romantic and otherwise—have been the hardest part of life on the outside for him. Suave and Maria struggle to find a balance in their own relationship as a growing distance creates new tension. What does a friendship for them look like now that he’s no longer locked up and the rules have changed? Season 2 of Suave was made possible by The Mellon Foundation. Mellon makes grants to support the visionaries and communities that unlock the power of the arts and humanities to help connect us all. More at mellon.org. Want to support our independent journalism? Join Futuro+ for exclusive episodes, sneak peaks and behind-the-scenes chisme on Suave and all our podcasts. www.futuromediagroup.org/joinplus.
Chapter 1: Who are the main people featured in this episode?
It's September 2022, and we're in Philadelphia for a day of activities that Suave has planned for Maria. And we're starting at a place that Suave knows really well, Community College of Philadelphia, where he's been working for more than a year. We make our way through long hallways filled with students into a large auditorium.
I want you to join me in bringing to the stage one of the top 25 Latinas in the United States, Maria Hinojosa.
Suave gives Maria his arm. He walks her up the steps onto the stage.
I never get walked up the stage like that by anybody. Thank you, Suave. What's up? How you doing? What's up? Oh, my God. Well, I'm going to tell you my story with Suave.
Maria tells the story that we've all basically memorized by now. How she and Suave met at Graterford Prison while he was incarcerated. How they kept in touch over the years. How things have changed from reporter and source to friendship.
Thank you so much for this opportunity. Thank you so much for everything you've done for me, for your friendship.
After years trying to decipher their relationship, pen pals, interviewer, interviewee, creative collaborators, Maria and Suave have been saying the F-word openly now. Friendship. Although, what does it actually mean? I recently asked both Suave and Maria to give me their own definitions of friendship.
Friends are basically someone who you would be prepared to take a bullet for. A friend is somebody who you have deep communication with on multiple layers of your life. and where there is deep love and respect?
First of all, I can't describe it because I don't know what friendship is. I really don't. I have a lot of people that I associate with, but when it comes to friends, I don't even know what that is because I come from a place where there is no friends.
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Chapter 2: What challenges does Suave face in forming relationships after prison?
From Futuro Studios, this is Suave. I'm Julieta Martinelli. In 2017, David Luis Suave Gonzalez was released from prison after 31 years serving a life sentence without parole. He was one of thousands of juvenile lifers granted a second chance at life. This is a story about life after incarceration and the search for the true meaning of freedom. This is Season 2.
On this episode, love, relationships, and the fear of the unknown.
So, on Suave's first day out of prison, seven years ago, he showed me his bucket list.
What? My bucket list. You have it written down? Yes.
And one of the things that was on it was getting married. Be a good man.
Take full responsibility for my action. I checked that one out. Find me a good woman to marry her. I haven't done that yet.
Now, seven years later, Suave isn't married, but he is in a relationship. After Maria's talk at the school in Philly, Suave invites us to his home.
Not his studio apartment. His other home. The one that he shares with a special someone.
For some context, Suave has been pretty secretive about his dating life with us. But with this person, it seems that something has changed. So on this day, we take an Uber together to North Philly. And there, we meet his partner, Lucero. She's all smiles. Lucero is Puerto Rican.
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Chapter 3: How does Suave describe his views on love and commitment?
And Suave will be the first to admit he's attracted, and dare I even say, maybe even a little addicted to drama.
I like conflict. That comes from me being in prison, being ready for whatever. And when you bring that conflict into relationship, it's dangerous because you might miss out on something that could be good for you, but you just got this thing going on in your head that you don't want to hear it.
That thing that he mentioned about feeling that relationships can feel too intrusive, that doesn't just come up with his girlfriend, but also with Maria. And a great example of that was the whole hospital incident.
Yeah. So this whole scene was very scary. Let me set it up for you. It was a few years back. I'm getting home from the Dominican Republic and I get this text from Suave and it says, I'm in the hospital. And then he goes like radio silent. So, you know, I'm calling Julieta, I'm calling his brother, I'm calling any contact that I have close to Suave, just like, where is he?
And of course, my biggest fear is that nobody knows where he is. Finally, my phone rings and I take it immediately and it's Suave, but he doesn't sound like himself.
Hello? Oh my God, Suave, por favor, just tell me, first of all, are you going to be okay?
Well, I hope so. I've been in the trauma unit for a while. A day and a half now.
Oh, my God, Suave. And now is when you're calling me? A day and a half? Why didn't anybody call me?
I thought I was going to be all right.
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Chapter 4: Who is Lucero and what is her role in Suave’s life?
Suavez says he was just walking down the street when he became unbalanced, and he took a massive fall. He had blood in his brain, a dislocated jaw, and three fractured ribs.
But Suavez says that wasn't the worst part.
They put me under this machine, and I felt like I was being strapped down.
Like a phone.
So what happens at that moment is that I'm on the phone, freaking out, trying to get details, and then the doctor comes in. I absolutely was like, I have to take care of this person. The mother in me was just like, I have to take care of this person. I know how to manage hospitals. I know how to talk to doctors. My dad was a doctor. I was like, honestly, I'm going to fucking save the day here.
I'm going to help figure out what the fuck is happening so we can get Suave out of there.
You start trying to call the hospital, talk to his doctors. But after trying to get more involved in his care, Suave actually tells me that he isn't really happy about it.
So Maria called me like 7 o'clock in the morning. I didn't answer at first. She kept calling and calling and calling and calling. I was like, oh my God. Like she wouldn't stop calling. Let me talk to a doctor. I want to talk to the doctor. I'm like, there's no doctor here. That's too much. That is too much. I don't want to hurt her feelings, but that's too much.
I know. But, you know, I think she just thinks that she's helping because she knows that you're there by yourself. And I think she's just worried. And it's not just Maria. It's also his girlfriend.
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Chapter 5: What happened during Suave’s hospital incident and how did Maria react?
Chapter 6: How does Suave handle conflict and drama in relationships?
I know. But, you know, I think she just thinks that she's helping because she knows that you're there by yourself. And I think she's just worried. And it's not just Maria. It's also his girlfriend.
They're the fucking same way. Are you being nice to the nurses? You got to be nice. Make sure you say this. Don't say it this way. I'm like, yo, yo, stop. Like, I told you before to go to the hospital. Why didn't you listen? Oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God, stop. I was like, man, listen, go to bed. You're more stressed out than I am.
Because they love you.
So, so I have to say, I find this whole thing really interesting, Julieta, because until I heard this tape, you know, like I had no idea that Suave was pissed off at me about the hospital stuff, because like, I'm just trying to help the guy, right? I mean, that's what a friend does. And, you know, when I jump in, I jump in. And for some people, that can be a lot.
Yeah, I mean, overall, at this point, things were still pretty good between the two of you. But over time, listening to calls that you two would have, you could tell that there were things that were straining the relationship. Well, you know what?
No, no, I know. Because later on, they throw it in your face.
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Chapter 7: What tensions arise between Maria and Suave regarding his new podcast partner?
When you say so, no, I have not. I mean, I don't talk to my friends like this. It's, it's not my favorite moment. Right. But also I did really feel that way. I did really feel like, wow, Suave. Okay. All these years. And then like, Some other person suddenly just becomes a family member just like that. Suave is somebody who I am connected to through all of these decades. Suave is also work.
He's part of my work. He's part of my job. He's part of my journalistic endeavor. As a journalist, I can tell you I am very competitive and also very protective and also very territorial.
You know, I'm actually kind of glad you brought that up because your relationship has so many different dynamics. There's the business relationship with Suave and then there's the friendship.
And when you're dealing with so many sort of like competing relationships, like if you got upset with a source for starting a show with somebody else and you're friends, so you have the comfort that you normally wouldn't have with a source, you might say things that you would not normally say.
Well, actually, if you have a relationship with a source and this source has an exclusive relationship with you, then as a journalist, I would say to the source, hey, we have what's called an exclusive. And now you're out talking to another journalist and So there's that.
I do acknowledge what you're saying, but in this conversation we just heard, you don't tell Suave, like, I'm not happy that you're telling your story in another podcast. You say, I was your best friend, and now you have another best friend. You call him bro. Like, that doesn't seem how you would say it to a regular source.
Yeah, I know. And that's what's uncomfortable about the whole thing. So, do it again? Again? maybe dial it back, maybe realize that that emotional reaction maybe needed to be tabled because Suave himself is going through a whole other series of things. It is Monday, October 23rd. Can't believe we're already in October. The year's almost over and I'm about to call Suave.
So let's see what he has to say. I'm calling the day before Thanksgiving because I just now have decided that every time he pops into my mind, I'm just going to call him. So let's hopefully, here we go.
I'm sorry, the person you are trying to reach has a voicemail box that has not been set up yet.
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