Jordan Peterson faces 20 atheists in Jubilee's Surrounded, defending four controversial claims: atheists reject God without understanding what they're rejecting, science can't provide morality or purpose, everyone worships something whether they know it or not, and atheists steal Christian values while denying Christianity's foundation. Will Peterson convert the non-believers or get crushed by the crowd? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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You're a Christian. You say that. I haven't claimed that. Oh, what is this? Is this Christians versus atheists? Don't be a smartass. Either you're a Christian or you're not. Which one is it? You're really quite something, you are. Aren't I? But you're really quite nothing. Right? You're not a Christian. Okay, I'm done with him.
From Jubilee Media, this is The Surrounded Podcast, where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreeers. Today's guest is the very influential Dr. Jordan Peterson. He's a clinical psychologist and a former professor, and he will be debating 25 atheists. Jordan will debate them one-on-one until they are voted out by their peers and replaced by someone new. Let's get into it.
Hello there, I'm Dr. Jordan Peterson. I'm a clinical psychologist, a professor emeritus at the University of Toronto, an author, a podcaster, public speaker, and today I'm surrounded by 25 atheists. My first claim, atheists reject God, but they don't understand what they're rejecting.
Good afternoon, Dr. Peterson. How are you doing? So this claim here that atheists don't know what they're rejecting My background is in studying to become a traditional Catholic priest, daily mass, daily rosary, going on long retreats, deep into the magisterium and biblical hermeneutics, like I was thoroughly in it. And it seems like I do know what I'm missing.
Is there something that I missed over years of study, both this issue formally and living out religion so deeply? Well, you obviously feel that you missed something when you were practicing for the priesthood. Your aim was off then. So there's always the possibility that it's still off now. What was off about my aim in the first place? I don't know. It might take a long time to figure out.
It seems kind of like this no true Scotsman type of fallacy in which you're the arbiter of people's aims and how they understand those aims to be. How is it that you can claim that people don't know something that you know about their life despite not having met them? Well, it's obviously a generic claim, just like the atheist claim that there's no God is a generic claim.
In your case, it would have to be specified more, and I'm not claiming to understand what was going on in your mind, but my experience with atheists is twofold, is that they have a very reductive notion of what constitutes God, let's say, in the Judeo-Christian tradition, and they've often been hurt by someone who was religious or by the religious enterprise, or perhaps by God himself, so to speak, and that's left them with an animus.
But I think that you have a reductive view of what atheism is. You've defined religion so broadly to include any sort of having aim in life, any sort of cultural archetypes or having a metaphorical substrate. And atheism to you is a very specific type of like three people in the world that are these Raskolnikov type of, they want to get away with a perfect murder.
It seems like you have the reductive view of what an atheist is. Well, let's start with your claim. How do you define the God that you're rejecting? Like what is God to you? You studied in the church, you found that unsatisfactory. How would you characterize what you rejected?
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