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Let's run through all the news. There's so much going on in the world of tech. Of course, the OpenAI Elon Musk trial continues. It's week two now, and the Oakland Courthouse continues to deliver top-tier tech drama. Elon testified for more than seven hours last week.

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Now, Greg Brockman is getting grilled over personal financial incentives, his $30 billion stake in OpenAI. and his links to various angel investments. And Mike Isaac, of course, has a great play-by-play. You can also listen to the courtroom now. You can't restream it, unfortunately, but you can listen to it. And we made a little companion app for anyone who's tuning in.

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Hopefully, we can pull that up and show folks. But let's read through some of Mike Isaac's posts, and then we'll pull up courtroom simulator. Mike Isaac, this morning.

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6.56 a.m., good morning from a rain-soaked downtown Oakland where I will again be attending the Musk versus OpenAI trial. No live blog today, just his wonderful tweets. Lunch is a normal banana, a mutant orange, black coffee, and some pocket sausages for travelers. I really feel like Mike needs to step it up in the lunch game. Where's like a full sandwich?

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What about a Chipotle burrito or something? Like, you gotta have some more substance. I'm looking at like 200 calories. A kava bowl with 200 grams of protein. Something to get you through the day, Mike. I think you're fighting with one arm tied behind your back here, but we appreciate the work that you're doing.

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He also is sporting a mild to moderate hangover because he drank five beers last night. I like it. Well, it was May the 4th. Maybe he's a Star Wars fan. May the 4th be with you. Maybe he was celebrating. Went down to the cantina. Chugs five beers. Space beers. He did remember to bring a pillow for his butt because the seats are very difficult and very hard. He also... It's cold outside.

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Interesting. At least that's one that's referenced.

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Yeah. One day there's going to be a court case that hinges on a second brain, a notion mind map or something like that. That'll be dramatic. So Ilya Sutskiver emailed Brockman in 2017 about equity structure proposed by Elon Musk, which would have potentially given Elon Musk majority control and tons of equity.

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And Ilya fires back. He says, Greg. will a Model 3 make you be willing to accept massively unfavorable terms? Because Elon had given them all free cars. Very nice, very cool.

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But Ilya is sort of saying like, we gotta put the free car, we gotta compartmentalize the free car because there's something bigger at stake here, potentially the control of the most important technology in human history, potentially trillions of dollars, who knows? So Ilya is sort of resetting the conversation alongside Greg Brockman.

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There was a very dramatic moment of Brockman's testimony in which he describes a very tense standoff with him, Ilya, and Musk. This is what everyone's focused on today. This is the new bombshell. The conversation turned to equity and something just shifted in him. This is a Greg Brockman quote. He was angry. You could sense it. At the end of the meeting, he sat quietly and silently.

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Wowie Woo writes Mike Isaac. A cutting Brockman testimony regarding Musk. Look, he knows rockets. He knows electric cars. He did not and does not know AI. And Ilya and I did not believe he would spend the time to get good at it. A lot of Brockman's testimony is underscoring how he feels Musk is not able to properly assess the capabilities of AI.

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He recounts one instance of him talking, this is Elon, talking to a researcher who was doing an AI demo in which Musk berated the guy so intensely that the dude almost quit the field of AI. That is an aggressive response. I mean, this is almost, almost, but quitting in protest is one thing. I didn't like the way my boss was talking to me. A little bit different to quit your entire industry.

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Very, very aggressive, very high stakes, yeah. And then Mike Isaac, of course, is chiming in with his progress on his lunch. He's already consumed 75% of it, and it's only 10.30, and he's already sleepy. There's a lot more to cover here, but it's an interesting back and forth. Go check it out. Go follow Mike Isaac because he has the play-by-play. Let's move on to the other AI news.

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So what's interesting here, it's in the journal. This felt like a bombshell moment. Oh, wow, like the government's in charge of AI. Then I figured out that OpenAI and Anthropic signed on to this exact deal two years ago in 2024. That was news to me. Has the Commerce Department been responsible reviewing 4.5 and open AI 5.1, 5.2, has that been happening and we just aren't aware of it?

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And then like, you know, like the whole mythos rollout, like that would be a very different tone if it was like, oh yeah, well the commerce department already evaluated mythos because they have this deal that's happened for two years. since 2024.

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So like whatever's going on with this Commerce Department Center for AI Standards and Innovation, they say the center has completed more than 40 evaluations, including on models that remain unreleased, but it feels like the Casey, or as you're calling it, doesn't produce reports, at least not reports that go viral.