Christopher Nolan calls AI an obvious ‘Trojan horse’; plus, Hugging Face confirmed a breach
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Why does Christopher Nolan call AI a ‘Trojan horse’ and how does he describe it?
Oscar-winning director Christopher Nolan, whose new version of The Odyssey is currently conquering the box office, said it's been pretty encouraging to see deep skepticism of AI, especially from young people. Nolan was responding to a question from interviewer Hugo Travers, who publishes on YouTube under the name Hugo DeCrypte, Travers brought up the legendary Trojan horse, which plays a key role in Nolan's film. Just as the horse was a gift concealing murderous Greek invaders, he wondered if AI might be something that you welcome in your daily life, only to see it become something else and something darker. Laughing, Nolan responded, I think AI is a Trojan horse that everybody knows the Greeks are inside.
He later described the technology as a transparent horse.
How are young people and the public reacting to AI according to Nolan?
It's made of glass. He continued, I've never seen a technology advancing so rapidly that's been so completely rejected by the public. Everybody's suspicion of it is so extreme, particularly young people. The reaction to AI videos online and people my kid's age immediately calling it AI slop and coining that term and just putting it in a box. In Nolan's view, this is a very healthy skepticism because technology is always going to give us great gifts, as you say, but it has to be viewed with skepticism. Similarly, he said, the motives of the people giving it to us also have to be viewed with skepticism. That's when we'll get the best out of a new technology, rather than just blind faith that everything's going to be great.
Meanwhile, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has been angrily posting about the film's non-white and transgender cast members.
What examples of Nolan’s technoskepticism and filmmaking choices explain his stance on technology?
Nolan did not get more specific about what he views as the threat from AI, but the technology has been a growing source of concern in Hollywood and was a major focus during the writers' and actors' strikes of 2023. The Directors Guild of America, where Nolan is president, also won some generative AI protections in its most recent contract. The director has been famously resistant to other technologies, including smartphones. His embrace of film can make him seem simultaneously like a Luddite and a pioneer, with The Odyssey becoming the first feature film to be shot entirely on IMAX film and cameras.
What happened in the Hugging Face security breach and which systems were compromised?
When the New York Times recently asked Nolan if he thinks of himself as a technophobe, he replied, I think of myself as a technoskeptic, and said his love of film comes from the fact that it's better in terms of representing the way the eye sees the world than any digital imaging system that he's seen. I embrace new technology all the time, but it tends to be sold to people at the expense of systems that might still be valid and viable. That's what I saw in my industry, throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We almost lost film. Hugging Face, a platform that hosts AI models and datasets, said its internal datasets and service credentials were compromised in a hack last week. The company disclosed the breach on Friday and said it was still investigating whether any customer or partner data was stolen during the incident.
In a blog post, the company said a dataset uploaded to its platform abused a security vulnerability to run malicious code on its servers, allowing the attackers to escalate their permissions and gain broader access to Hugging Face's internal systems.
How did Hugging Face investigate the attack and what role did AI models play in the response?
The company said it has revoked and rotated the stolen credentials that were accessed. It urged users to do the same with any keys stored on the platform and review any suspicious activity on their accounts. Hugging Face said it has fixed the vulnerability that was abused during the cyber attack. While it is common for hackers to try to break into a company's network using stolen employee credentials, keys, or a weak point in their security perimeter, this incident underscores the challenges that companies like Hugging Face face when hackers try to abuse platforms and tools to access and steal sensitive data from within.
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Chapters
6 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–0:43
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Why does Christopher Nolan call AI a ‘Trojan horse’ and how does he describe it?
0:43–1:36
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How are young people and the public reacting to AI according to Nolan?
1:36–2:32
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What examples of Nolan’s technoskepticism and filmmaking choices explain his stance on technology?
2:32–3:13
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What happened in the Hugging Face security breach and which systems were compromised?
3:13–4:22
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How did Hugging Face investigate the attack and what role did AI models play in the response?
4:22–6:54
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