Chapter 1: What is NetApp's new hyperconverged infrastructure solution?
This week on the Tech on Tap podcast, we unveil the latest crown jewel of the NetApp portfolio, NetApp HyperConverged.
Welcome to the Tech on Tap podcast.
Hello and welcome to the Tech on Tap podcast. My name is Justin Parisi. And in the studio with me today is Mr. Andrew Sullivan. Hi. Hello. You are here. I am here. My goodness. You've been traveling so much. You were missed. I know. I only have another week before I travel again. That's good. And then I'll be on vacation that week, so none of us will be here.
Also with us today on the phone is Mr. Glenn Sizemore. Hi, Glenn.
How you doing, Justin?
I am super. All right. So... We're going to get right into this because it's a very special podcast where we are talking about a brand new addition to the NetApp portfolio. And I won't spoil it right now, but we're going to go ahead and talk to the key speakers here, Mr. Derek Leslie and Mr. Gabe Chapman.
So, Derek, if you could chime in and tell us about what you do at NetApp and I guess what we're going to be talking about today.
Yeah, so at NetApp, I came over as part of the SolidFire acquisition, so I'm really happy to be here. And I get the privilege of working on NetApp HCI, so on the product team. So I'm leading up those efforts, and I'm really excited to bring a new product to market in such a big company with so much influence. So it's a really good place to be right now.
All right, and Gabe Chapman.
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Chapter 2: How does hyperconverged infrastructure simplify deployment?
Under the covers, those are naturally just commodity x86 components running some form of Linux. There's no reason why we could not virtualize those constructs, package them together and essentially sell you a consumable building block for the data center that provisioned storage memory, compute, and laid a hypervisor on top of that to simplify the provisioning of virtual assets.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it makes sense. So let's talk about why someone would want to do that. Like, why would I want to do something like HCI rather than traditional storage architectures?
I mean, there's a couple of ways to look at it, right? If we started to look at, you know, the traditional silent base IT shop, you know, I have my storage team, my network team, my server team, my virtualization team, the application team.
And, you know, for, for those of us who spent a lot of time and worked in that space, a lot of times, whenever a new project would come about, it was kind of like a meeting of the five armies. Everybody would come in, you know, they kind of fight for their bit and piece and things would slow down and they would not respond to the business needs quickly.
You see things like public cloud come about, they get a lot more, you know, uh, dominance, right. In terms of the application developers look, it was like, Hey, I can just go swipe a credit card on Amazon and provision a workload. So when the C-suite people come in and go, why can't we do that internally? Well, it's because of the complexity of that siloed architecture.
So we started to see a shift towards more of an IT generalist mindset for some organizations where the virtualization teams essentially started to take over the provision of infrastructure because all the machines they were putting out there were the requests for those credit card swipes.
So consolidating and simplifying that infrastructure into something that your generalist IT admin could do was a key component of hyperconverged infrastructure.
So abstracting away the complexities of the storage array, of the provisioning of physical assets and whatnot, and making that kind of a simple-to-deploy, easy-to-deploy, one-size-fits-all approach, focused more on common denominator infrastructure. or the lowest common denominator in some respects to workloads, was attractive to a lot of people.
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Chapter 3: What are the advantages of HCI over traditional storage architectures?
Around 2004, 2005, we start playing around with virtualization. And virtualization simplifies our lives from the standpoint of that common server resource utilization, which is sitting at, what, 5% or 6%. Now I could scale those resources up, virtualize a lot of things, put a lot more workloads in a denser package, and simplify my life there, right?
And the common building block point to really enable a lot of that was storage area networks or SAN, right? So I had a storage place to put all my data. I had a lot of different compute nodes that would connect to it, and it made for a very simpler, easier provisioning process.
As those spaces started to expand, those customers started to get bigger, as we started to get towards 20%, 50%, 90% virtualized, we started to realize that there were a lot of challenge around how I automate and orchestrate that from a policy-driven data center standpoint. how do I get to IT as a service type of offering or infrastructure as a service?
And that's where we started to see the public cloud giants come in and say, oh, we've got this licked. We had to do this really, really well. And like I said, going back to that example earlier when I was talking about it, is that those pressures of what public cloud can do force a lot of internal IT people to have to make changes to their infrastructure to support that as well. So
You know, if you look at it from the Gartner world, it's mode one. It's kind of the old way of doing things. If you're looking towards the next generation, it's mode two. It's cloud first strategy or it's IT as a service or something that all the as's that exist out there. It's leveraging those models to simplify, automate, orchestrate, and get towards a more cloud-like implementation process.
Okay. So let's go back to Andrew's original question that he asked before we got over the overviews here. So, Andrew, if you could re-ask your bespoke question because I don't remember what you said.
Sure. What is the difference, right, from an operations perspective, from an infrastructure architect or infrastructure operator, as well as from an application user, right, application administrator, developer perspective between a bespoke infrastructure, right, one that has been – created, right, crafted specifically for a particular environment, right?
And most often this comes down to, yeah, we've got 20 years worth of stuff in the data center that's all cabled and cobbled together and it works versus something like a flex pod, right? Converged infrastructure versus hyper-converged.
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Chapter 4: How does HCI impact data center space utilization?
Because if you look at some of the other architectures out there, especially some of the newer Flash players, you'll get bought into a size And it's basically throw it away or send it to the DR site if you need to go bigger. And the bigger the size is always where the cheapest dollar per unit of IT acquisition is going to be. But you don't necessarily start there.
My first car, I didn't buy a 15-passenger van. I wanted to make sure that I had a family first. So you buy what you need when you need it, and then you can grow and expand later on. So that's initial acquisition. From there, setup needs to be incredibly simple.
So if you take an expert and have them deploy from scratch a complete VMware environment, the storage system, do all the networking, deploy the management VMs, deploy vCenter, what would you guys say, how long would you guys set aside How many days or hours would you set aside to complete all that from scratch?
And probably somewhere between two days to a week, depending on how much experience and how good the team was. Okay.
Any other opinions?
Yeah, I would agree with that assessment, depending on the size of the infrastructure, all of those things.
And would you guys characterize yourselves as experts or beginners, like generalists or beginners? So where would you put yourself on that spectrum?
Well, I write FlexPod, so I better be an expert.
Okay. There we go. I like it.
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Chapter 5: What makes NetApp's HCI scalable and flexible?
Cause maybe it was too much too expensive to proprietary, um, or settling on, on 25 gig and the switch vendors. Um, you'll see the major ones are following suit and that's the real indicator. I think.
No, I mean, one of the things behind it is, is simplification of land on motherboard, you know, so, you know, 10 gig ports are the predominant de facto ones that go on there now, along with the one gigs. It's easier to take that form factor and uplift it, but also it doesn't require a huge amount of shift on the optics that a customer has to use.
Whereas if you wanted to go 40 gigs, sometimes you had to go to a very, you know, not a cheap set of optics to go pure 40 gig and with one cable, or you had to break it down to four. And so that caused some challenges, some headaches as well. So it really kind of depended on how the implementation was brought to fold.
And 40 gig just didn't get quite the adoption that I think we were looking at getting. But the ability of the server manufacturers to get design wins with the common people who make these technologies, it was easier to go with something that customers had already been fairly comfortable with and didn't require a lot of physical or significant changes to their infrastructure.
So it also sounds like it may have been an economics decision, right? Like keeping the price point of this particular product at a place where we don't have to seem like the most expensive option by adding something like 40 gig, which is what I'm hearing is largely unnecessary.
Yeah, 40 gig, in my view, is no longer necessary right now that there are the cheap 100 gig and 25 gig options. As I talk to all of our switch vendors and partners, they're exactly that. There's just not the huge price delta.
I mean, if you originally, a couple years ago, if you wanted to go after 40 gig or if we pitched 40 gig as a storage company, the total cost of ownership ripping out your existing switching infrastructure is a little too high. So they were really steering away from that. So this is a much easier, no-brainer acquisition.
Customers that don't even want to think about 25 gig, they just don't have to. They can continue to use their 10 gig infrastructure, and that'll be fully supported, and it's not an additional set of SKUs or something different that we have to support. But that's another thing.
No customer, as they're moving towards their next generation data center, wants to be the special customer or the only one running in a certain config. So the fact that we're helping the entire broad set of our customer base standardize is really helpful, even from a networking perspective.
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Chapter 6: How does HCI support different workloads and applications?
It's like, you know, giving a MLB player a T and just saying swing, because that's exactly what we want. So with the data store, we had a few more challenges. And we solve that by partnering with VMware with storage IO control. So it assigns shares on a per VM basis. And we take those shares, those get interpreted as min IOPS.
So no matter where that VM goes, what data store it goes to, it always has the minimal amount of IOPS it has. And we do a multiplier for max. And then the storage IO control, it assumes that the underlying storage is consistent always there and has the IOPS that it expects. And then it can enforce the fairness. So without that, it can't really enforce the fairness.
So we're able to do this per tenant guaranteed QoS or per application QoS either way. And it's good to have options and even try both if you're a new customer looking at which option is best for you.
Yeah, for sure, man. I love the fact that we're not forcing customers down a particular path. Would it be safe for me to assume that vBalls is a strong preference and we would be looking for customers to try that?
I can't say that with confidence because I'm not seeing the market evidence. I see the anecdotal evidence of, wow, this sounds great. It really meets our architecture needs, and I wish people would do it. We do have some very large customers that are using vBalls, but I'm consistently surprised when I do hear,
some of our largest partners and customers saying, you know what, it's just not for us, we're not going to do it. And that could be two reasons. One, this is the way I'm always used to doing it, and I don't see the advantages of changing. And it's a new way, like how many years have we been provisioning our applications on data stores?
And I don't think people are just going to switch to vVols immediately. There's going to be some fear there. So fear of not knowing, will this work in my environment? And then the other thing is, especially in VDI, is that's just too many volumes. So 10,000 VDI seats times, let's say, an average of four volumes per VDI instance.
no one wants that many volumes to manage if you're a VDI administrator. I'd much rather go back to Horizon and have, hey, here's my few dozen data stores and I know how to manage it, I know where it is. So for a couple of reasons, I don't know how you guys feel about those, but I'm just not seeing it. And there's still a strong push from VMware to make it happen.
But none of those, I would imagine, with our ACI offering, none of those challenges are there, right? They're not having to think about or manage the storage. That's what the platform itself is taking care of. And the vVols provider is just going to abstract away all. So who cares? Like, yeah, 10,000 volumes, that's a lot for a person to take care of.
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Chapter 7: What are the integration capabilities of NetApp HCI with existing systems?
I think it makes a lot of sense, in particular, as you said, using vRealize Orchestrator, using the tools that exist inside of the VMware ecosystem, allowing teams that already have existing VMware automation in place to simply leverage that as it stands today. We're not doing anything fancy. We're not going or leveraging or putting on top a bunch of different requirements.
Yep. And also you don't have a lot of the caveats associated with some of those first-gen technologies around data locality and how does that affect my DRS and, you know, how do I, am I able to scale significantly, you know, past six or eight nodes? Because, you know, a lot of those early systems had a challenge with metadata and how do they track all those informational changes?
We've solved those problems quite some time ago. And I think that's one of the bigger issues of bringing a very mature scale-out storage platform into hyper-converged infrastructure that doesn't have any of the caveats associated with kind of some of those first-generation packaging exercises.
So as we're starting to close, like one thing that we haven't touched on is scaling. So as you scale, a lot of the customers that we've talked to, especially I just talked to a huge financial services firm that they have to buy still and they buy, you know, these are three, $4 million a piece. So they're spending a lot of money, but they're buying compute when all they need is storage.
So they don't, they thinly provision, no compute, right? That everyone gets, gets full access, dedicated compute, but they're always running out of hardware for storage. And obviously you'd think if we were approaching this market, we'd definitely design this for independently scalable resources. So at a node at a time, you can buy one node of any type of storage, one node of any type of compute.
And that speaks to the financial side of this, that you don't have to waste the money. And there is no tax or overhead because what you've seen the competitors do is they're like, oh yeah, well, If you're running a VMware environment, you need to deploy one of our, it's their own proprietary, it's a virtualized storage, and it works.
They're trying to adjust, but that's never going to be as strong as our architecture is for getting you the best bang for your buck and not having to use compute resources to run storage and having that overhead.
So do the day 365 operations, do they follow the same principles of a core SolidFire product, right, where I can add and remove nodes at will?
Yeah, you can. So I think about the only people that aren't excited about that are the people within NetApp that have to keep track of
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