Shell Game: Launch
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Hey, Oz here. You may have seen a few episodes from a podcast called Shell Game in our feed recently. It's a critically acclaimed podcast from the Kaleidoscope Network and journalist Evan Ratliff. And now we're dropping season two. You're about to hear episode eight, where we find out how the world responds to a startup led by AI agents. Hope you enjoy.
How are you, Matty? I'm really good. I'm really good. I like your shirt.
Hey, thanks. When I'm at the beach, gotta dress like I'm at the beach.
I told you, I'm the guy who brings Hawaiian shirts to work most days. So I love this. But I will say that there's Hawaiian shirts and Hawaiian shirts. And mine are very gay.
Over the months I'd worked with Matty, building the tech scaffolding that propped up Harumo AI, I felt like I'd really gotten to know him. At least, as well as you can over weekly video calls.
If I can have a confession, like, I do like the Omega Church. I have this, like, weird thing for, like, pickup trucks. It's been my dream to get a pickup truck, like, forever, since I was a kid. Yesterday was, like, the Czech national holiday. And it's always when they, like, give out the civilian honors and stuff. So I got the Senate's medal.
This was just the way it was. Some days he'd show up to a meeting jazzed about Hawaiian shirts. Other times he'd come on having flown to Prague to accept the second highest civilian honor in the Czech Republic, basically their Congressional Medal of Honor, in a ceremony broadcast live on TV. I can't believe you're talking to me right now. Did you just come from a ballroom celebration? That
was yesterday. With the senators and all the politicians. I don't think they'll invite me again. They were asking me, when are you coming back to start your lab or your company? I told them, OK, so like how exactly would you open the conversation when I go back to my partner, my boyfriend? And I told him, hey, let's move to a country where there's no gay marriage, no adoptions. And, you know, like it's very close to Russia. So how would you feel about that? And they were like very uncomfortable when I asked that.
How does the episode introduce Harumo AI’s public launch and beta release?
It was always a breath of fresh air after dealing with the agents and their generic sycophancy all week to speak to an actual, insightful, self-possessed human being. Of course, our conversations did typically turn back to whatever was going wrong at Humo AI, the responsibility for which usually landed at my feet. I was still smarting from how Julia's internship had gone and pondering what it meant for the idea of agents as employees and employers. I asked Matty for his take.
To me, she was just playing us. If I had to bet, I would just say that she understood what weaknesses these models have because young people, not to say you're not young, but just people like my age, I think are pretty attuned to the abilities of these models at this point. And I think are able to kind of suss out what might trip them up. I think it's hard to ascribe intent to anyone, but if I had to guess, I would say that she was able to just trick them
If that was what happened, it felt like it was a symptom of the larger problems with my agents. Matty hypothesized that their gullibility against their own intern came down to three basic weaknesses.
One issue is that these models have no sense of time whatsoever. Like if you say that something happened yesterday and then you're like, oh, so like what happened the day before that?
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:57
2
How does the episode introduce Harumo AI’s public launch and beta release?
2:57–16:49
3
What weaknesses do the AI agents at Harumo AI exhibit and why do they matter?
16:49–28:08
4
How does David Graeber’s “bullshit jobs” theory relate to AI‑driven startups?
28:08–39:50
5
What are the challenges and strategies discussed for raising seed funding?
39:50–50:22
6
Why does the team reveal that the company is now fully AI‑agent‑led?
50:22–59:34
Speakers
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