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You got what you wanted. Now what? | Debbie Millman

28 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

4.098 - 10.945 Elise Hu

You're listening to TED Talks Daily, where we bring you new ideas to spark your curiosity every day. I'm your host, Elise Hu.

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11.385 - 35.865 Debbie Millman

I interviewed a famous painter about a recent exhibition, a show that had taken years to create. Given the magnitude of the accomplishment, I asked her how long the feeling of pride lasted after opening night. She looked at me, she smiled sheepishly and stated... about 11 minutes.

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36.546 - 56.461 Elise Hu

Those of you who listen to any of Ted's podcasts will know that voice belongs to Debbie Millman, designer, author, educator, and host of Design Matters, one of the first and longest running podcasts in the world. Debbie has spent more than 20 years and conducted more than 1,000 interviews. Yes, you heard that number right.

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57.042 - 71.905 Elise Hu

Exploring what drives people to create and what creativity really means in the first place. In this talk, she explores what she has learned over the years and shares a surprising realization she had about what happens after we finally get the thing we've been chasing.

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Chapter 2: What realization did Debbie Millman have about achievement?

72.305 - 74.689 Elise Hu

That's coming up right after a short break.

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Chapter 3: How long does the feeling of pride last after achieving a goal?

115.321 - 134.565 Chris Duffy

We all have bad days and sometimes bad weeks and maybe even bad years. But the good news is we don't have to figure out life all alone. I'm comedian Chris Duffy, host of Ted's How to Be a Better Human podcast. And our show is about the little ways that you can improve your life, actual practical tips that you can put into place that will make your day to day better.

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135.046 - 147.742 Chris Duffy

Whether it is setting boundaries at work or rethinking how you clean your house, each episode has conversations with experts who share tips on how to navigate life's ups and downs. Find how to be a better human wherever you're listening to this.

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155.151 - 156.894 Elise Hu

And now our TED Talk of the day.

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158.075 - 188.899 Debbie Millman

For the last 20 years, I've interviewed hundreds of people about their motivation to create. their ambition and what it feels like to be whole and at home in the world on my podcast, Design Matters. In one episode several years ago, I interviewed a famous painter about a recent exhibition, a show that had taken years to create.

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189.892 - 222.766 Debbie Millman

Given the magnitude of the accomplishment, I asked her how long the feeling of pride lasted after opening night. She looked at me, she smiled sheepishly and stated, about 11 minutes. I thought she was joking, but she wasn't. Since that interview, I've come to realize she's not the only one whose achievements feel ephemeral and fleeting, not by a long shot.

223.968 - 254.408 Debbie Millman

Over the past four years, in addition to my interviews, I've conducted my own version of a Proustian questionnaire for print magazine. Hundreds of creative people have answered the same 10 questions about their life and their work. Given the response I had with the famous painter, I included this question. How long does the feeling of pride and joy at accomplishing something last for you?

256.548 - 287.363 Debbie Millman

As I collected my responses to the questionnaire and reviewed all of my transcripts of my interviews and conversations, I saw how up close, for so many people, the pride and joy of accomplishment dissipates almost as quickly as it manifests. I heard it in the words of a poet who shared that the high of publishing a book lasted until she sent in her final manuscript.

287.883 - 322.026 Debbie Millman

I heard it in the voice of a designer who admitted he felt restless the very night of an awards ceremony. And I heard it in the plaintive confession of a musician who told me, the only time I feel at peace is when I'm in the studio, not on stage, not after, only while I'm making. Another confession. I've felt this way my whole life, after publishing a book,

322.512 - 357.328 Debbie Millman

after mounting an exhibition, after a TED Talk, after what should feel like I've reached the pinnacle, moments I've dreamed of for decades, the joy evaporates within days, sometimes hours, and once terrifyingly, within minutes. And then, for so many people, what happens next? The quest to create? to make something bigger, more ambitious, or more challenging begins again.

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