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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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This is one of those weeks where it seems like the UAP story is moving in five directions all at once. We've got a new UAP Science Advisory Council reportedly connected to the White House with Avi Loeb leading the science side of it and controversially for some, Michael Shermer now involved too.
We've got a fresh discussion around jellyfish-style objects, including imagery connected to Iran, and the question that keeps coming back, with the scale of the American defence and intelligence industry, the budget, the apparatus, do they really not know what some of these things are?
We've also got Ana Polina Luna saying another UAP files drop could be coming within days, or is that just when the interview was recorded? We'll get to that. We've got the MKUltra hearing now back on the calendar and scheduled for next week. Details on that to come. And then we've got the Disclosure Foundation Forum 2026 in Washington, D.C.
with members of Congress, scientists, former defense officials, journalists, and a whole lot more I'm going to go over in detail for you too. That's asking the question, if this subject is real, serious, and no longer fringe, then what happens next? So today I'm taking a step back and putting all of this together for you.
Because whether you see this as progress, theatre, pressure building or something else entirely, one thing is clear. The UAP conversation is no longer just happening in podcasts. Welp.
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Chapter 2: What new developments are emerging from the UAP Science Advisory Council?
that looks like it was shot from above and it's moving in and out now that looks really really cool if indeed it is an object moving through the clouds as we expect we need more data we need a lot more data to clarify this kind of stuff but at a glance it's a pretty incredible video now she says that's the one because the FBI had it as unresolved it's been out there now for a while though so the answer wasn't quite as spectacular I think that many of us would have maybe hoped for
I struggle sometimes to get a read on Luna as to how much she actually knows and how much is just things that we know and we know are out there, but she's regurgitating. And I don't mean that genuinely. I don't mean that in a disparaging way.
But if she's got this group around her that we know of, Burleson, Burchett, Moskowitz, Grush as part of that group, Stephen Greer potentially in their ear, I'm not too sure of his involvement, and others...
that she's just kind of finding this all out as it goes along because UFOs UAP aren't her life she's done a lot of great work on this but she has so much other many other things on the go that yeah I don't know because sometimes she seems really high on the topic and other times we're being told like she said recently that the good stuff's been released and there's nothing more
I don't know about that necessarily. On that, I want to tell you about the MK Ultra hearings. Now, this is something Luna announced a few weeks ago or a couple of months ago, perhaps even, that got delayed. We now have a date for those, and I'm going to read you some of the information, folks, here. So she's announced a hearing, and this is from the oversight.house.gov site.
Washington Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets Chairwoman Anna Polina Luna today announced a hearing on Mind Control and Accountability, Uncovering the Truth of the CIA's MKUltra Experiments. It's a hell of a headline already, isn't it?
Given what we've gone through in the last couple of years with the hearings and everything from a UFO perspective, is it really that much of a surprise? But what a hearing to have announced. This will get some mainstream attention. I think mainly from big podcasts and outlets looking to cover this kind of stuff. Um...
During the hearing, members will examine the... Sorry, there's some stuff in the way of the actual reporting, yeah. Members will examine the history and timeline of the CIA's MKUltra project and its original classification and how the project meets the CIA's obligation to protect the United States.
Members will also analyse the intel community's unwillingness to declassify information related to MKUltra and how the lack of transparency has reduced American trust in government institutions. The intelligence community has covered up the nature and classification of the MKUltra experiments for decades.
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Chapter 3: What are Anna Paulina Luna's comments on upcoming UAP file drops?
So thank you for that. And that is in 2154 Rayburn House office building. It does list a couple of witnesses here. I'm not familiar with them. First, we have Stephen Kinzer, Senior Fellow in International and Public Affairs at Brown University. And also Tom O'Neill, investigative journalist and author of Chaos, Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the 60s.
interesting stuff i think um to see this coming out for those of you unfamiliar with what mk ultra was let me just give you a couple of bits of information here okay And there isn't necessarily a direct UFO connection, okay?
Chapter 4: What details are available about the MKUltra hearing?
But I think it's worth laying out and tying out some of the details. MKUltra is a secret program run by the CIA. Officially, it began in 1953, right in the middle of the Cold War. The basic idea was the US was worried that its enemies, particularly the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, were developing techniques around brainwashing, interrogation, and mind control.
So the CIA started looking into whether human behavior could be influenced, manipulated, or controlled. And a lot of folks, I think, when they think of these types of things are familiar with experimentation with drugs, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, sleep disruption, psychological stress, interrogation techniques and different forms of behavioural conditioning.
I think it sounds like real conspiracy theory territory, but the thing is, this was real.
Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Disclosure Foundation Forum in Washington, D.C.?
This is not speculation. This was documented CIA programming. Now, what the CIA were trying to do was work out whether people could be made more suggestible and whether memories could be altered, whether people could be broken down psychologically and whether drugs could be used to extract information or control behaviour.
Now, LSD became one of the substances most famously associated with the programme, but it wasn't only LSD. They were interested in a range of chemical, biological and psychological tools. Some of this was framed as defensive, obviously, what if our enemies are doing this to our people? But some of it was clearly on the offensive as well, can we use these methods ourselves?
MKUltra does have a lot of disturbing aspects to it. So the most infamous part of it was they were carried out on people without their knowledge or even proper consent. People were dosed with drugs, some were placed in extreme psychological situations, some of them were prisoners, patients, students or even ordinary members of the public who had no idea that the CIA was even involved.
A lot of the work was also hidden behind front organisations, you know, private researchers, hospitals, universities, and this was not just a few experiments in a lab. This was a broad, secret research programme into human behaviour, with very serious ethical lines being crossed over and over.
And this is why the MKUltra programme has such a dark reputation still today, and partly why the CIA has such a dark reputation, as if it needs any more of a dark reputation, to be honest. A lot of MKUltra records were destroyed in the 70s, shock horror. How is it connected to UFOs? Some folks do tie this kind of stuff, and you hear it come up in UFO conversations relatively often.
Now, there's no publicly available evidence to suggest it was used to study UFOs, cover up UFOs, or fake UFO events even, or potentially manipulate UFO witnesses. The documented purpose was around behaviour modification, interrogation. So you can't say it was a UFO-related programme, but it does not mean it doesn't have relevance to the UFO subject.
It sits in that Cold War era territory, folks, and that means something. You've got the CIA, you've got the military, you've got classified aircraft, nuclear paranoia, psychological warfare, disinformation, fears about Soviet capabilities. This was prime...
you know cold war territory and the ufo story is heavily heavily enveloped in that um it shows us the intel agencies were willing to do and how far they were willing to go in secret when they believed national security was at stake so i don't doubt the ufo and mk ultra story crosses over in a lot of different ways it's not something i've covered in detail at all really throughout the
But I think perception management would be the direct link, if anything at all. It's not aliens, but how people perceive reality, how they respond under stress, how memory works, how suggestibility works. So when we're thinking witness testimony, abduction claims, screen memories, hypnosis, staged events, psychological operations, or even manipulation of what they believe.
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Chapter 6: How does the UAP conversation reflect on public trust and transparency?
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the the landscape really and that's why again i always promote if you sign up to the podcast you get access to the discord but i wonder is this where we are with this conversation we are in a new stage of the ufo cover-up we have intelligence communities exposed we have information out there that they are worried more stuff more sensitive more dangerous information makes its way into the public arena
And they're pushing back. I've seen a lot of comments online on X and various platforms like that, where people are saying that Annapolina Luna is a Russian asset. This is just more KGB influence, all that kind of stuff. And I don't know. I don't want to go there. It's a UFO podcast. But yeah, I think there is a relation with these hearings, with the significant push forward.
Personally, I would rather see more effort put into and directed into the UFO side of things here rather than this MKUltra conversation. But let's see if indeed it crosses over at any point during the hearing. So definitely one to check out next week there, folks. One quick story you may have seen in the news is that of the American pilot that was shot down over Iran back in April.
And it required a rescue mission by special forces. But what makes this a UFO related story is what he saw before he ejected from his aircraft. Now, let me read this from the OSINT Defender account over on X. So...
The American pilot of a US Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle that was shot down over Iran in April, requiring a high-risk rescue mission by special forces, described a shocking sight before ejecting from his aircraft. Multiple Iranian drones hovering in the air, moving as one in a formation that resembled a jellyfish, four sources familiar with the matter have told CNN.
Multiple drones interconnected and moving as one, with smaller drones below the bigger drones like legs. One of the sources familiar with the pilot's witness account told CNN, Real alien shit. Science the shit out of it, as I would say. Another source told the pilots described witnessing a minefield of drones in the air prior to being downed over Iran.
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Chapter 7: What controversial figures are involved in the UAP discussions?
This one for me, I'm going to keep it a kind of short and sweet update because it's so hot today. And recording-wise, in the UK this week, we've got a bit of a flash heatwave. And, yeah, it's pretty stuffy. Lots to come, though. Like I say, you've then got a potential drop coming in the next couple of weeks of more files. We have the event next Tuesday, the MKUltra hearing.
We have the event tomorrow through Disclosure Foundation. I'm intrigued to see where we're heading with this whole chat. I've got Michael Shermer joining me for an interview next week on the podcast, folks. I can announce I've got Chris Ramsey of Area 52 joining me in the coming weeks for an interview.
Jason Samosa, who's done some wonderful deep dives recently on the Collins Elite and others joining me on the podcast in the coming days and a few other guests I'm just sorting out dates with. Thanks everyone for sticking by the last couple of days and weeks. Well, hopefully the content hasn't looked like it's been few and far between.
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members only content will be dropping in the coming weeks now i've got this space to do it and a space i quite like to be in um i can i've got all my software and my hardware all set up pretty much now and i'm looking forward to really getting into some more interesting shows in the coming weeks and months but please folks send me over any questions you have for the next show that i'm going to record any thoughts opinions on where the conversation is at right now i'm very much intrigued to know and keep an eye over on various platforms like youtube discord and patreon
for any of those questions i put out and you can get involved and help shape the show as it goes along but anyway folks that's all for now enjoy the disclosure foundations event tomorrow let me know your thoughts afterwards and of course the mk ultra hearing next week but you'll hear from me before then and i'll speak to you all very very soon
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