Chapter 1: What was released in the first batch of UFO files?
162 records, 28 unresolved UAP videos, material from NASA, the FBI, the State Department and the Department of War covering cases from 1944 all the way to 2026. But a couple of days on from the release of the first batch of UFO files, the real question is not just what was released. It's what wasn't.
Ross Coulthart, Lou Elizondo and others are already saying the best material is still being held back. Tim Burchett says the holy cow stuff is still to come. Liberation Times is reporting concerns about who controls the release process behind the scenes. And while some people are calling this a historic first step, others are saying it's underwhelming, managed or even a distraction from Epstein.
Chapter 2: What are the concerns about the control of UFO file releases?
So today we're asking, was this the beginning of real UFO disclosure or just the start of a much bigger fight over what the public is actually allowed to see? Hi everyone and welcome back to That UFO Podcast.
As always, my name is Andy and it's now been a couple of days since the Department of War released the initial batch of files on UFOs UAP and it certainly made the news, including here in the UK. But what's the reaction been? Positive, negative or somewhere in between? Like I said at the top of the show, in total 162 records released in this first batch and that's important.
These are supposedly going to be every few weeks it looks like with the next batch coming around the 22nd of May roughly.
These are made up of records from NASA, the FBI, the State Department, the DOW and others running from the 40s through to modern day and Congressman Tim Burchett in reply to a user on X was asked how good these files were on a scale and he said the holy cow stuff was still to come.
Chapter 3: How did notable figures react to the UFO file release?
It was stated online the site itself had over half a billion, 500 million hits in the first day it was online. There is a huge public interest in this topic, which I'm sure many of you are going to be so glad to hear.
And I've got to mention that there were folks across a lot of platforms online, across various media outlets from the general public, largely discussing how this is just a reaction from the Epstein files. Do you agree with that? I'd love to know in your comments below or get in touch with me because that's an interesting one.
Here are some statements though to kick off from some notable folks because a lot of news to touch on, very much all of it related in this show. And then an interview is also tagged on the end for you, but we'll get to that. Let's read some statements from the 8th of May. Luis Elizondo, former head of ATIP.
said this is a historic day with the president's mandate coming to fruition and a historic moment for humans and a paradigm shift for humanity a huge thank you to the president for championing this effort a big congratulations to the task force on the declassification of federal secrets and a salute to the department of war NASA ODNI and the FBI on this whole of government approach to greater transparency and disclosure
Similar thoughts came across from various other folks, including pilot Ryan Graves. I bought Ryan a drink at the Sol meeting back in October. Really nice guy, got to sit and chat to him for a good hour on the couch. He said, today's DOW UAP release is a meaningful step toward transparency.
He goes on to thank Anna Polina Luna, Tim Burchett, Eric Burleson, Jared Moskowitz and the many others behind the scenes for your steadfast efforts to advance accountability, aircrew safety and the public's right to know.
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Chapter 4: What unresolved questions remain about UAP videos?
I'm excited to see what more comes. Tom DeLonge made some comments and I'm going to play you the clip in just a second. He reacted with real optimism on his Instagram saying the files drop shows the government is now formally investigating and releasing UAP material.
And while he doesn't expect perfect answers overnight, he does see this as the kind of process which could lead to much bigger truths over time. I'm going to play you that clip for you right now. Here's Tom DeLonge.
We just had a big drop of a bunch of government documents on unidentified aerial phenomena today. just wanted to put out my own kind of perspective on this. I think that this is a tremendous thing that's happening, I think, for a bunch of different reasons. Number one, the government is now formally doing stuff. They're formally investigating it, formally reviewing it, formally putting it out.
Especially that one of the videos looks like a North Star. I think that's one of the
most shocking things i've seen in a long time we've never seen a uap actually like look like that but um i'm just really excited i'm really proud and i think that the net that they are casting right now they're really getting things done and the government's taking this seriously and um i'm still very connected uh to the subject and to a lot of people working on this and um i feel really good about it i'm i'm
I'm really optimistic that this is going to lead to more investigations, uh, to more review.
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Chapter 5: What insights does the documentary 'Sleeping Dog' provide?
Um, we're never going to get like, you know, the perfect thing just presented to us on a plate, but this is the process that starts that happens over years where they keep digging and digging and digging and they get, uh, to the truth of it all. And, um, I'm just, I don't know. I'm just really, really stoked.
I'm really, really proud that, uh, the country's leading like this in this subject area, you know, um, right on. All right. Stay tuned for more.
So yeah, some interesting comments from various folks around the world on UFOs and many more to come. I'm going to jump into some comments and analysis from Ross Coulter and a few stories from him actually. Over on News Nation and his Reality Check show, he done a bit of a deep dive into the files with a few big names providing their early thoughts and analysis.
Early on in the piece, Ross Coulthard says the president himself is intimidated by the military-industrial complex and that we shouldn't expect too much from these releases. Others have said to Ross, we have to trust the president. So on the deep dive, Ross opened by saying this was not the huge disclosure moment some had hoped for, but it was a start.
He pointed out to the records being from those various different departments. He stressed it was only the first tranche with more coming in the following weeks. Now, there was a bit of confusion around that because people expected weekly due to some statements.
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Chapter 6: What historical context does MKUltra provide for UFO disclosure?
Other folks heard that it was going to be 30 days before the next release. But then it looks like we've got a confirmation it will be in two weeks' time, round about the 22nd of May. So again, we're looking before the end of May, folks, for that next batch of documents. And I hope we do get some more information better stuff in terms of quality.
Ross made the point many of the FBI files appear to be older or previously seen material and that's not unfair and the real question is now whether agencies like the Department of Energy, the NGA, the NRO, NSA and CIA will be pushed to release what they have.
Lou Elizondo then joined Ross Coulter and said this release could be seen as a drop in the ocean because the government has, in his words, tens of millions of documents. Lou Elizondo said he personally saw documents, photographs, reports and more while working with ATIP. He said there are far more impressive videos that have not yet been released.
He described material as holy cow, similar to Congressman Tim Burchett. He claimed one of the most compelling things he saw involved a very large object moving underwater at extraordinary speed. But here's the main thing. Captured in ultra-high definition. That would be a game-changer, folks. You don't need me to sit here and tell you about FLIR imagery and grainy camera images and whatnot.
Chapter 7: How does the director approach the subject of UFOs in his documentary?
We do need something in that better quality. And remember, we saw it a year or two ago when those Russian jets buzzed the US. Was it a drone camera or a jet camera? Literally, in really clear HD, you could see the jet, you could see the pilots more or less waving at the camera. And we got those within days. The footage is out there, 100%.
Ross and Lou spent a lot of time on the Apollo lunar imagery. Lou said the government appears to be acknowledging some sort of objects in the Apollo images, maybe physical, not just reflections or camera artefacts. Ross connected that to the wider questions about NASA and whether the public has been misled about lunar anomalies.
Billy Kryzek from ProPixel then came on to analyse some of the released imagery. His view was that this was a soft first release but that it does validate what citizen science and independent sky watching groups have been seeing. Billy focused on several videos including so-called jellyfish UAP, tesseract style objects, orange blobs and bright thermal objects.
he was careful to discuss possible camera artifacts and sensor effects but still said some of the footage shows objects and behavior that appear genuinely unusual including that one video of the star-shaped ufo that some folks including myself and others look online you can kind of see a parachute type
object in the background you see a contrail coming off of what may be a fan not a ufo but others including billy have done some analysis people who would know better than me and they say there's no parachute it's an artifact and that object is far more interesting than people like myself have maybe initially said so i'm looking more into that and i genuinely hope that i'm wrong
Rob Jones, a News Nation researcher, and I've been messaging Rob, he'll be coming on the pod soon, described the release as a great start, but only a first taste of much more.
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Chapter 8: What impact do the new UFO files have on public perception?
He said the public should now be pushing for more from their elected representatives. Over to you folks in the US on that one. UAP Gerb, also known as Sam, was far more cautious. He said this looks like the administration testing the waters to see if there is public appetite for disclosure. I mean, half a billion hits in one or two days is certainly appetite.
He did warn the Department of War, Intelligence Community, Department of Energy and Arrow control the process. Disclosure could fizzle out or be heavily managed. Gerb also argued that the DOE should be a major focus because if legacy UFO programs exist, they may have been treated like nuclear secrets for decades. And that would certainly make sense.
The DOE has been one of those departments named for many years now as being a real hotbed of secrets and research on this topic. He said relying on Arrow or the Department of War alone risks becoming the Department of Defence investigating itself. So the overall takeaway from Ross's panel for me was this. The first release is interesting but not definitive.
The footage and files are mixed but several people close to the issue believe more compelling material is still being withheld. I think that's pretty obvious to be honest. This is not the final answer, it couldn't be.
It's the beginning of a process and the big question now is whether future releases include the stronger videos, better data and agencies that maybe have stayed out of the spotlight so far. Now that would be interesting. Regarding more to come, multiple folks, including Congressman Tim Burchett, have said to be patient and the future drops will be better in terms of quality.
We do need something more, folks, don't we? To convince people, the general public, that this is okay for a start. But if we get the next drop and it's more videos of this quality, I struggle to see how that holds up to public scrutiny or capture the imagination. Back in March, Ross Coulthart, slightly moving on but staying on the same theme, sent this tweet out.
I'll put it on the screen for those on YouTube, but I'll read it word for word too. Among many others we have videos of the following. I have personally seen this one on SIPR, that's S-I-P-R, a video from six years ago from the Persian Gulf, full colour, daytime, of a white orb with a plasma aura around it flying out of the water near a tanker.
Pilot then goes white hot and black hot with no joy on identification attempt. Then the orb flies out and roughly halfway through the 13 minute video, another white orb flies into the area as the pilot diverted to track the first one, and the second one hangs out for a while before zipping off again. The video then ends after a few more minutes of the helo pilot tracking the first orb.
I have not seen these, but they have been described to me by someone now public who was in the UUP task force. Here's three more that are listed here, folks. So a video of a black disc three times the size of an oil platform that was captured speeding underwater near a platform in the Gulf of Mexico. That would be incredibly interesting to see.
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