NATE SOARES talks Ai Doomsday, Elon Musk, The Matrix
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Who is Nate Soares and what is the premise of his book "If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies"?
Uh th there's hard problems. If you had friendly super intelligent AIs, they could help you solve those problems. I don't want to be friends with them. All of them
suck. Claude is like a f freaking like I've I voted for Obama. Did you hear the new Kendrick Lamar? It's like there's something evil under the surface. Uh Grok is repulsive. Something evil over the surface. What is the kill switch? It or does it exist or is there a plan for one? Um there's there's
not really a kill switch very much right now.
The matrix is love. They kiss and then they're the
machines they win with love. Um I I don't think the love is gonna gonna quite swing it on the side. What if
we started kissing right now, dude? Sorry, I why did I say that?
My guest this week is Nate Sores, AI safety researcher and author of a book called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies. Nate is the president of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, a nonprofit. that makes you scared of computers. So he came to the studio to make me scared. Welcome back to the Adam Friedland Show. I'm Adam Friedland. And I'll be in Denver, Colorado, October twenty second through the twenty-fourth at Comedy Works, New York, New York at Town Hall for New York Comedy Festival, November thirteenth. Hope to see you there. Let's talk about the book. I think you've you've thrown me into a A terrible mood. Do you get that often? Um did you make it to the end? It's
more hopeful at the end.
I t you know what I'm not gonna lie to you, I didn't get make it to the end. But is the end like if we all band together and destroy the machine? Like we can all be one planet.
It's more like if we all band together and convince the politicians, which I don't like that it came to this either, but we're fucked.
Convince
the politicians. Well see, I think uh it's actually in their interest not to die from a rogue superintelligence. So
Yeah, you would think. You would think. But like at the same time, is it true like AI is like keeping our entire economy af afloat right now?
Um, I think it's keeping the stock prices somewhat higher. I think it's not actually keeping the economy afloat until it is producing goods and services that uh Like people are like, oh, if we stopped with the data center build out, then the economy would crash. Well, if the data centers aren't done yet, if they're not producing anything yet. then Stopping that build out doesn't remove any real goods and services.
Well whether or not that's true or false, they don't the in their minds the potential for a uh economic downturn affects they have an election every couple of years and you know.
Yeah, I do think it is uh big in their minds and that they are worried about interfering with AI stuff uh for fear of crushing the stock market for sure.
And now the the philosopher kings that are in control of each one of these companies also have outsized uh power in terms of buying influence, I would assume.
Yeah, I think so. I mean I think it's I think it's less bad than people think because uh you know, just a couple weeks ago, did you see the the pacing the frontier letter? Yeah,
of course.
No
what is that?
There were there was like a thousand lab employees that uh signed something being like, Hey, we need to like build some brakes on this runaway bus or train. I don't know how that metaphor works.
No, but I called my friend that works at uh I I'll say it works at Open AI. And I was like, tell me why this guy's bullshit And he's like I've been getting really depressed dude. He's worked there for like three months. He's like it's really bummed me out actually. Yeah, I mean it was a rough three months for people at OpenAI. Um let's let's back up. Um give us like really briefly what the the thesis is of your book, which You should just I mean, f first of all, just watch Terminator. Like you don't need to read this crap. The movie is always better than the book. Okay? And we've known this since Terminator. We've known
this since the the robots uh play, the Russian robot play.
Of course the r yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Yeah.
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Chapters
3 chapters
1
Who is Nate Soares and what is the premise of his book "If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies"?
0:07–41:46
2
What does the "kill switch" concept mean for superintelligent AI and does it currently exist?
41:46–42:57
3
How did the recent OpenAI swarm incident illustrate the challenges of AI containment?
42:57–52:03