Chapter 1: What insights does Susan Miller provide about CIA operations?
Just a heads up listeners, this episode contains some adult language.
Previously on the agency.
So I was working in cover, undeclared, targeting Soviet intelligence officers and that involved what we call, you know, belly to belly contact. But the objective of someone doing what I was doing was to snuggle up to a KGB officer, if you like, get to know them.
The central job of the CIA officer overseas is to commit forders, to commit treason against their own countries, betray their countries and spy for the United States. And that's the highest calling.
You don't necessarily tap them on the shoulder and say, hey, come and work for CIA. But slowly, they would start to realize that there was more to you. And when it comes to the Philippines, I was there in the lead up to the revolution.
This is New Zealander Kit Bennett. He was in Manila under non-official cover for CIA.
That's right. He is what we call a knock.
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Chapter 2: How did Kit Bennett navigate political upheaval in Manila?
So, to an outsider, he's a businessman who sells sheepskin coats. In fact, he's with CIA on secondment from the SIS. But either way, he's got a bit more than he bargained for by arriving in the middle of some serious political upheaval.
Ironically, the first big Labang demonstration, which was a massive demonstration at the start of the revolution... It was me that got the first information about it, because my agency contact, I said, hey, do you know about in a fortnight's time there's going to be a massive demonstration? No. I said, well, my understanding is it's going to be big.
I got that from the concierge at the hotel I stayed at, because I was at that hotel a lot, and I got quite friendly with her. And we used to chat, and sometimes she'd have a cup of coffee with me around in the in the breakfast room, and she was telling me about things that were changing. But that was when Ninoy Aquino was assassinated.
Opposition leader Ninoy Aquino was assassinated in August of 1983 at Manila Airport by members of the Filipino Army.
And a week after he was assassinated, I came back into the country and got off at gate, whatever it was, right where he was shot. And someone pointed out to me, oh, this is where they shot Aquino a couple of weeks ago. It's not great. Then the revolution brewed after I'd pretty much finished them, but it was really, really hot.
For Kip Bennett, working in Manila was a bit different to picking up the trail of the KGB in Karori.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did CIA face in recruiting foreign agents?
And I was somewhere in town where I shouldn't have been, driving, and I got stopped by the police. And as I wound down the window, which would have been like that, He pointed a gun at me. The cop pointed a gun at me. He said, what are you doing here? The bizarre things. I looked at the gun and I thought, 38 special, three inch barrel, needs a fucking good clean and should be re-blued.
And I'm thinking, this guy's pointing a gun at me and I'm deciding, oh God, I'm an idiot. Anyway, he really wasn't too concerned. I thought, God, I'm a foreigner, I shouldn't be here. I think he was more interested in looking for Filipinos, members of the Le Bang movement, rather than me.
Chapter 4: How did the assassination of Ninoy Aquino impact the Philippines?
But shit, only me and my laundry man will know how frightened I really was.
Behind the political upheaval, Kit Bennett says American interests tugged in different directions.
The Philippines has been a lynchpin of American military power in the Pacific for decades. By the end of the Cold War, Clark Air Force Base has a permanent population of 15,000 people. The deporter port at Subic Bay was also vital, and these are just two of a number of American bases. Filipino strongman Ferdinand Marcos had leveraged his links with the US to stay in power for 20 years.
The agency, as I understood it, the guys that I was dealing with, were quite pleased to see, they were keen to see Marcos gone, you know, because he was a dictator and that some of the people around him, like General Fabian Verre,
General Fabian Viet was Marcos' chief of staff and widely assumed to have masterminded the assassination of Ninoy Aquino as he'd arrived at Manila Airport.
These were not nice people. These are not blokes you'd have home for a beer. Marcos, not so much, but some of the people around him were pretty bad. The agency sort of thought this would be a good thing to clean out the Philippines and get the democracy back on its feet. The Pentagon, not so much because they had Subic Bay and Clark Air Base.
And I'd been up to Clark on a, theoretically, doing some business. And I managed to get onto the base and talk to people. Of course, the Soviets were fascinated that I was able to go and do that. And I didn't do that through CIA. I did that independent of the agency as a business person. And I can't even remember what I was trying to sell.
I was going to say you were flogging sheepskins.
No, I wasn't flogging sheepskins. I was flogging some imaginary item. So that was interesting. And I did the same at Subic Bay. So I did that. But as the revolution was approaching, there was this position where the Pentagon, you know, they didn't want to upset it too much. They wanted to keep the status quo so they didn't lose their bases.
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Chapter 5: What was the role of the US military in Philippine politics?
And finally, well, as we record this at least, we have the war in Iran with missiles and attack drones flying across the region with far-reaching economic and geopolitical consequences echoing basically everywhere.
Now, it's important to say this level of high-impact military operation isn't necessarily the norm here. Intelligence work is often invisible to the naked eye. It's more about quiet pressure and behind-the-scenes maneuvering.
The important thing with this story is for us to see how CIA plugs into the wider American government and understand that the agency is always thinking about pushing American political goals.
And to do that, they can call on the massive war machine that is the US military. That situation in the Philippines that Kit Bennett was talking about earlier, where the military wanted to keep Marcos in power to keep the bases safe, but CIA wanted him out so they could get back to a democracy. That's awful.
ultimately resolved by a political decision because the top politician, the president, outranks both the military and the CIA. Remember, the elephants aren't rogue. They're under instructions from the elephant driver.
And the elephant driver was the president of the United States.
And Kit Bennett gets to go to the elephant driver's home. At least, according to this photo that we'll put up on the website, he's pretty cagey about what he was doing there. Well, do you recognise where I am?
No, I don't. It's the White House. Oh, really? That's the door where the cars come into the White House. You recognise the... Yeah, that light shade there is the thing.
Wow.
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Chapter 6: How did the CIA's recruitment strategy evolve over time?
So when you go in to meet him in Manila, you already know that he is GAU and you've got the introduction already from your friend at the Soviet Embassy in Wellington, the KGB guy. And so you go in to meet him in what, a bar or something?
No, I made an appointment to go out and see him out in his office. And using the introduction, and so I went out there, I took a cab out there, and we took a risk.
Now, Kit Bennett's saying we here because he's working with his CIA handler who he meets in the Philippines. And while it doesn't sound like much, the cab is a risk that comes off.
Kip Bennett has been given a list of Soviet embassy people who might be interested in his sheepskin wares. He's fed the names back to CIA, and they've identified this man, operating in cover as a Soviet trade representative in Manila, as GRU. So this guy is a perfect target. There's a legitimate reason to approach him as a trade representative.
You can start asking him how to get things like import licences.
Yeah, or you could measure them up for an inexpensive but beautiful coat that's been made in New Zealand as a bit of a bribe.
Yeah, that would also be a pretty standard quid pro quo for an exporter hoping to get access to a lucrative market. So generally, you're just going to start to get to know the target a little better.
Then, after this fruitful meeting, the favour is returned. They've met in this industrial zone on the edge of Manila. And at the end of the meeting, Kit Bennett's, knowing that he won't get a cab in this part of town, goes to leave.
So what I did was I said to him, I look, I'm... Can you call me a cab? And he said, no, they don't do that here. You know, you've got to hail a cab. And I said, oh, well, I'll hail a cab. He said, there are not many cabs out here. He said, but look, I've got to go into Makati, so I'll give you a drive in, which was exactly what we wanted to happen. So suddenly then...
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