Antoinette Lattouf on power, scandal & women who win

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What led Antoinette Lattouf to become a media controversy?

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A listener production.
Sasha Barbour Gatt 0:07
Hey, it's Sasha Barber-Gatt. Welcome to The Weekend Briefing, where we chat with the humans behind the headlines. If you are a long-time listener of The Briefing, whether it be weekend or weekday, you'll be all too familiar with today's guests. Once a host who sat... that in this very chair, Antoinette Latouffe went from journo and author to the face of a very public legal battle with the ABC. After she was terminated, wrongfully, it was later determined by Fair Work, over a social media post. Now she's written a book called Women Who Win, which became her port in the storm that was more than a year of threats, lost work opportunities and staring down fear. We laugh, we cry and we explore what it takes to win and lose in today's chat.
Sasha Barbour Gatt 0:52
A little later in the show is The Weekend List with Helen Smith, where we are going to recommend some things to watch, see, do, eat or listen to.

How did the legal battle with the ABC impact Antoinette's career?

Sasha Barbour Gatt 1:00
But first, it's the woman herself, Antoinette Latouf. Well, I don't know if we ever thought we'd say this a couple of years ago, but Antoinette Latouf, welcome to The Weekend Briefing. Oh my gosh, that is such a strange thing to hear, to be all the way on the other side of the desk. I was going to say, we kind of are interchangeable. When you were working with us here at The Briefing, you'd know we were kind of, we just sit wherever, right? It's not like an other side of the desk, but we'll say you're on the other side of the desk for today. Sure. How are you? Because it's been almost a year since the verdict was handed down in your case against the ABC and, you know, us working with you here at the briefing knew what a toll that took on you and you've spoken about it publicly.
Sasha Barbour Gatt 1:50
Yeah. How are you going?
Antoinette Lattouf 1:52
Oh, gosh, a lot better than I was. But I realise... I do have setbacks and I realise that things, you know, and I hate that word triggered because everyone's like, oh, I'm so triggered and, you know, an elevator music will trigger somebody or whatever. I feel like it's so overused it can sometimes render it useless, the word useless. But no, there are things that I find difficult to navigate and that I'm still mourning and I'm still processing. It was all so public and it was all so unfair and the attacks were so brutal. Having said that, I'm obviously doing a lot better. I'm still creating and building my independent media company. I've obviously written a book.

What themes does Antoinette explore in her book 'Women Who Win'?

Antoinette Lattouf 2:28
I've kept myself busy and connecting with audiences. But there is part of me that's a little bit terrified about this... coming out into the world, my book coming out into the world and also opening myself up to what will probably be another round of attacks and scrutiny by certain players.
Sasha Barbour Gatt 2:48
I'm sorry to hear that because Women Who Win is this great look at powerful and impactful women in Australia. You chose the title Women Who Win before you had found out that you won in this case against the ABC. Yeah. What might have changed had you not won?
Antoinette Lattouf 3:06
Yeah, that's a really great question. I had determined that I won at a certain point well before any judge had. And I think... After exploring various wins through various women's experiences and also analysing sometimes the cost of a win, and sometimes there were others who had objective wins, like a whole array of gold medals, that it was most important for a woman to define her win in her own time. I realised that the whole notion of celebrating women is so fraught because as I went through the archives... of Australian history and newspaper archives and I interviewed contemporary women, some of the most significant, incredible women were cast aside, imprisoned, driven out of the country. And then years later had a bench named after them or a building or whatever and are celebrated as these winners and have a scholarship in their name.
Antoinette Lattouf 4:01
And so I was like, well... I doubt they felt like they were being treated as winners in their time. And then there were other winners who had objective wins, but that wasn't necessarily the highlight of their lives. Sometimes the wins came at too great a cost.

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