Catholic Apologist Tries To Convert Bryce
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Do Protestants go to hell for not being Catholic?
Do you think that Protestants are going to hell because they're not Catholic? I would say that is parallel to the question, will non-Christians go to hell because they don't believe in Jesus? And the answer is, it depends. You go to heaven if you believe in Jesus. You don't believe in Jesus, you're a six-month-old baby, you go to hell for eternity.
Being honest, as we're talking, I'm like, man, these nuances feel like some sort of mental gymnastics for me.
Every Christian articulation of salvation will have a nuanced explanation that could sound like hoops or a bunch of explanations, like super complicated. But where I land on the Eucharist theology line is, I don't believe it's just a symbol. The early Christians used that language. They said, this is the medicine of immortality. Not that we earn eternal life by receiving the Eucharist. That death didn't kill Jesus.
Jesus killed death. Am I going to hell because I'm not Catholic? Should I return back to Rome to the church? You know, what are the views of the sacraments, the Eucharist, Catholicism? Is it the true church? These are questions that I've been having and been pondering for a while now. And so I thought no better way and no better person to sit down with than Catholic apologist Trent Horn to ask these questions. Trent, how are you doing? Bryce, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Man, thanks for coming on. I got tons of questions for you. I mean, I think the overall main question to kind of get into is, like, why Catholicism? Out of every tradition, you could say, within Christianity, what about Catholicism kind of draws you to it?
Well, I think the biggest thing that draws me to Catholicism is Jesus's promise that he would establish one church, not two churches, not five churches, not 10 churches, and we got to figure out which one is the best one, but that Jesus would give us one church built on Peter and the other apostles and their successors to guide people into truth. And so if there is one church Jesus established, I'm going to ask myself, well, where is that church today? And someone might say, well, the church is just the invisible bond between all true Christians. That's the church. But to me, I have a hard time with that because I say, okay, well, can the church help me know what doctrines I'm supposed to believe?
If that is what the church is, it's just everybody who's Christian, they make up the church. Well, I can't really ask them anything because they all disagree about really important things like, do I have a moral duty to baptize my baby? I have three kids, right? And there are Protestants who will say, it's bad for you to baptize a baby. You got to wait until they're older. And there's other Protestants like Presbyterians who would say it's a sin to not baptize them, even though baptism doesn't regenerate. Then there's Protestants who would say, yeah, you need to baptize them because baptism is what saves even infants. And that's just one example. There's moral issues, theological issues. But what really draws me to the Catholic faith is its preservation over 2,000 years, the deposit of faith, what Christ and the apostles have given to us that is there for us to believe, and not just to try to decipher from Scripture alone, which results in a lot of these conflicting theological opinions.
And then especially just reading the early church fathers, When I read the earliest ones, like St. Ignatius of Antioch, he wrote in the year 107, about 70 years after the crucifixion. And when I look at him and say, okay, well, what are Christians like? This is second-generation Christianity, right? The apostles have passed away. What's this first church like? And he doesn't say, get together and read your Bibles. There wasn't a compiled biblical canon at this point. Instead, what he says is, follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father. Honor the priests and the deacons. If your church does not have deacons, priests, and bishops, it's not a true church. For Ignatius, authority was in the church of Christ, and the church was found in the bishops, those who have succeeded the apostles.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Do Protestants go to hell for not being Catholic?
0:00–5:04
2
What is the Catholic perspective on salvation?
5:04–5:19
3
How does the Eucharist relate to Catholic beliefs?
5:19–15:34
4
What role does baptism play in salvation?
15:34–1:19:32
5
What are the implications of baptism for salvation?
1:19:32–1:22:22
6
How do personal beliefs influence views on salvation?
1:22:22–1:24:34
7
What role do saints play in Catholic faith?
1:24:34–1:26:18
8
How does the Eucharist connect believers to Christ?
1:26:18–2:37:03
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