Bill Kristol: Exploit the Rifts
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Hello and welcome to the Buller Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We are back. Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday or is still having a wonderful holiday. Much has happened since we talked last. We'll be getting to Timmy's Oscar-worthy Bob Dylan performance, of course, at the end. Jimmy Carter's passing the coming debt limit and speakership showdowns here next week. 2025 Foreign Policy Outlook, Musk versus MAGA. But our guest has implored me that the place to start today is MAGA versus Miller. And it is, of course, Bill Crystal. Bill, I hope you had a wonderful Hanukkah. And I turn it over to you. What were you curious for more info about my encounter with our old friend Carrie Lake in Phoenix a couple weeks ago?
Good to be with you, Tim, and Happy New Year a little ahead of time. Yes, well, you wrote so well about your encounter with Carrie Lake and Laura Loomer playing the peacemaker at that insane Charlie Kirk event that you seem to like going to each year. Is that some kind of character defect there? But anyway, I feel like there must be more color that you can give on that. What exactly? You went to like a party, you know, an after party invited by whom exactly, if I could ask?
Yeah, correct. So I had interviewed Steve Bannon, and we talked about that a little bit. Both articles were put in the show notes if folks were taking a break. This was, I guess, the Friday before Christmas. And I interviewed him about kind of the future of MAGA, but the newsy bit that he talked about was... From his perspective, Kash Patel is going to follow up on his plans to target the people that were in his book on the so-called enemies list. I think that's particularly newsworthy because there are a lot of senators, even John Fetterman, a lot of Republican senators acting like that's not going to happen. And so I think that could be an interesting data point, given the close relationship between Cash and Steve for a confirmation hearing. So anyway, after that interview, it's one of those things where MAGA takes over downtown Phoenix. And so we're in a hotel. We're doing this interview. I go downstairs to the hotel lobby. And I just bump into people, Bill. I don't know. These people, they know me.
They're from a past life or from this current life. Some of them really hate me as a MAGA provocateur. Some of them are old colleagues that I work for on campaigns. So, I started chatting with some people in the lobby, including Matt Gaetz. I don't think that I include the Gaetz bit in the article. I still like to see Gaetz in the lobby. He was definitely a little bit chastened, I would say. The last couple times I've seen Matt, he's been very brash and shit-talking. We're about the same age, and he supported Jeb initially, so I know Matt decently well. I definitely think he was a little bit chastened, and his wife was right next to him, though. The whole time I saw him and, you know, he said to sneak off to do an OAN hit, his new job. He's a competitor now, I guess.
I did tease him about that. I guess the only newsworthy thing he said was kind of about how he wants the deportations to be able to start day one and how that impacted, you know, the importance of having an attorney general in their day one. Again, could be BS and bluster, but interesting thing to say. So during all these conversations, I get invited by somebody that I had known to James O'Keefe, who you might know from Project Veritas. They do the undercover stuff. He had an after party. So it's like they have all the speakers and the blah, blah, blah. And then at the end, all the college kids go to try to get some MAGA lovemaking on. And they go to these after parties. And this one was hosted by James O'Keefe. He was going to do a dance performance. But unfortunately, I was unable to stay for that because of the... Gary Lake confrontation started to get a little awkward in there. So I don't have any video of the James O'Keefe dance number that he did, though I've seen some of it on the internet if people are very curious. And yeah, I go in there.
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