Bill Kristol: The Murder of Alex Pretti
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is Monday, so I'm here with editor at large, Bill Kristol. Obviously, we're going to spend the whole show today talking about the murder of Alex Preddy by agents of the state, ICE and CBP in Minnesota over the weekend. Usually, I have a little topic outline. for us, Bill. We kind of run through different issues. And today, I just have Bill rants, Tim rants, Bill rants. So we're just going to take turns screaming into the ether in the hopes that that resonates with somebody. Variety is overrated, you know?
I think consistency of tone is very important in these shows. Since you and I have been, in the last 48 hours, in a pretty angry, genuinely angry and upset mood. Wouldn't you say? I don't know that I've been as upset in the Trump years, really.
Yeah, I don't know. I was pretty upset back around kind of the Lafayette Square time the first term, but I've been rage tweeting. I've been fighting with everyone on the Internet. I can't sleep. I was like rage posting instead of sleeping over the weekend. And I think I had my first cry of the Trump administration, too.
What incident involving Alex Preddy is discussed?
I was kind of surprised that I didn't cry when when he won. So my first cry. It's fucking terrible what they've done. And I do think it's important that the response is commensurate to the crime. And I think that is where my rage is emanating from. So I guess obviously over the weekend, folks haven't done this. You can make sure to sign up for the Borg Takes feed because, you know, when stuff's happening over the weekends or at night, we are doing live coverage. So we talked about this a bunch, but that's the first show back since it happens. Just really quick going through the facts and then we can get to our rants. So this was Saturday morning, and Alex Preddy, as a VA nurse, 37 years old, was videotaping ICE agents in South Minneapolis.
We have a bunch of different angles of video at this point to see this, including in the lead-up. He was in the street, kind of, it looks like maybe directing traffic or something, or it was unclear exactly what he was doing, but he'd moved to the sidewalk, and some ICE CBP agents approach him and a woman, you can't really hear what the woman is saying, but they push the woman to the ground. He is still videotaping pretty and gets in between the agent and the woman and like tries to help her. And then he gets pushed to the ground, pepper sprayed right in the face at point blank range. He's kneeling and they drag him. And at this point there are probably seven officers surrounding him, seven agents of the state surrounding him, masked of course.
And, um, One of the agents you can see in the video disarms him. They see that he's carrying a concealed weapon. And they take his gun away from him. And then someone shoots him in the back of the head. And then another guy starts shooting him from the front. And 10 shots are fired. He's shot 10 times and killed. Several of the ICE agents then flee the scene, basically. You see one of them cover himself in the mask more. You see another ICE agent cheer it on, clapping, saying boo-hoo to the people watching. And then the ICE agents try to prevent local police from assessing the scene and doing what police are supposed to do following a shooting. Local Minneapolis police refuse to leave the scene. But there's still a bunch of unanswered questions, including who killed him, where the video is from his phone, etc.
So that's like the basic rundown of what happened. We can take it anywhere, Bill. Where do you want to start? Just one question. I've seen contradictory things on this.
Do we know that they were ICE agents and not Border Patrol agents?
It was CBP. Yeah, it was CBP. And some people said, and I guess maybe, I don't know what the right approach is. It's a fine shot. To me, it's kind of the same. They're both DHS agents. Totally. It's within the Department of Homeland Security. And they've been de facto merged for these operations. I mean, they're doing the same thing. So ICE has become shorthand.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:12–1:18
2
What incident involving Alex Preddy is discussed?
1:18–6:00
3
How did the Trump administration respond to the murder of Alex Preddy?
6:00–7:22
4
What details about the actions of ICE agents are revealed?
7:22–15:10
5
What are the implications of the murder on civil rights?
15:10–24:02
6
How do the hosts feel about the role of the federal government?
24:02–35:12
7
What demands do the hosts suggest Democrats should make?
35:12–47:33
Speakers
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