David Frum: This Is Shame-Faced Trump
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Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back Gold Jacket guests, staff writer at The Atlantic and host of The David Frum Show. It's David Frum. How are you doing, sir?
Good. When you say Gold Jacket, I'm conjuring up one of those WrestleMania jackets, those really shiny ones.
Yeah, okay. Sure. I kind of am thinking about like the Masters winner or Saturday Night Live. Like if you've been the host, I think five or ten times you get a jacket. That's what I had in mind, but we'll give you a shiny one. All right. Thank you. I don't know. What should we talk about at the start of the podcast? Who's to say? Lots out there in the news. What won't we talk about? Maybe Jeffrey Epstein.
What do you think? All right. All right. Bad for the Jews.
Not a great representative. I want to talk about – there's some angst. It's a lot of negative discussion about the Jews out there in the public space. I want to talk about that at the end um but uh yeah jeffrey epstein cover-up is in full bloom right now we've seen a bunch of emails talked about that the last two shows this morning trump is out with a bleat about this um he says this the democrats are doing everything in their withering power to push the epstein hoax again some weak republicans have fallen into their clutches because they're soft and foolish epstein was a democrat not our problem ask bill clinton reid hoffman larry summers about epstein they know all about them don't waste your time with trump i have a country to run
How does he sound on that?
Well, when you say the cover-up is in full bloom, I think it's sort of past the bloom. Look, if you want to do a cover-up, you don't keep obsessively talking about the thing you yourself are covering up. You introduce the country to the seven brave astronauts who are about to embark for Mars. Yeah, right. And you announce your new Trump candy bar. And you say tariff holiday for Republicans in red states and more tariffs on blue states. You do something else. But Trump... In a way, I forget whose point this was. This is not original to me. I'm going to be repeating somebody else. Maybe it was Charlie Sykes who said this, that normally Trump doesn't cover up. He just says, yeah, I did it. I punched that baby.
And in fact, after years of our country being led by weak presidents who wouldn't punch a baby, I punched the baby in the face. I did it. And people say, yay. Some people are upset, but they say, yay. But there's no cover up. And Epstein is distinct because he's actually, for once, acting guilty and shamefaced. And that has led, I think, a lot of people to think, this must be really horrible. If all the other things he did, he doesn't cover up. What happened here?
He also is very good in those cases when, you know, he says like, you know, whatever it was about that. I didn't pay any taxes. You know, imagine like the example, the prime example of this is, you know, kind of Mitt Romney and and, you know, how apologetic he was and all this for the well and not paying the taxes and trying to figure out how to spin it. And Trump was always like, yeah, I didn't pay taxes. Right.
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