S2 Ep1016: Jonathan Cohn and Mark Lilla: Lobotomizing America
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Why is America's scientific expertise under threat?
Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We've got a two-parter today. But first, I wanted to mention yesterday, many of you emailed me, I appreciate that, about the fact that I guess I said that the Dave Chappelle clip I played was from last week when it was from 2017. So, whoopsie. I will say, though, the fact that Dave Chappelle was making this very poignant critique of Donald Trump's tariff policy eight years ago, does kind of undermine the arguments from some of the Trump fluffers on Wall Street who were so blindsided by this. The Bill Ackmans of the world. Bill Ackman's out there tweeting about how could this possibly be? It must be a conspiracy. It must be Howard Nutlick who's long on bonds trying to hurt the economy. No, Trump's been warning you that he was going to do this for a long time now. You just didn't believe him. So anyway, kudos to Dave Chappelle for his 2017 prescience. And one other news item I just wanted to get to before we get to our guests, because I don't think we're going to cover it in either of those conversations.
There's some Supreme Court rulings last night with regards to the kidnappings, deportations, whatever you want to call them, to Secot in El Salvador. The first one was with regards to Kilmer Abrego Garcia. He's this father in Maryland who the government admitted was wrongly sent to El Salvador and Since the Justice Department lawyer that was making that argument was put on leave by Pam Bondi for, I guess, not being sufficiently supportive of the administration's lawless deportation regime. So anyway, this went to the Supreme Court and John Roberts put a stay on the circuit court judge's order that Abrego Garcia be returned. Essentially, I think what court watchers are saying, and we'll have more on that later this week, is that Roberts put the stay on there because there's going to be a truncated timeline, which means that the Supreme Court is likely to act quickly in this case. So in the meantime...
What are the Supreme Court's recent rulings on deportations?
abrigo garcia is stuck in a torture dungeon in el salvador so hopefully scotus can act with alacrity on that there's another scotus ruling with regards to the alien enemies act deportations not the one where the justice department admitted they screwed up for all these other folks who many of them it seems like they're very likely they screwed up but the government hasn't admitted it yet and in this case the ruling is mixed it's bad news i mean horrifyingly bad news for the 260, 300 some odd men who've already been sent to El Salvador because the options for relief for them seem to be a stretch, to be honest. Not totally hopeless, but essentially, you know, kind of the court ruled that prospectively in the future, the administration needs to give people that are going to be removed based on the Alien Enemies Act notice and an opportunity for habeas corpus.
I was watching one of the ACLU lawyers who's been really the point on this and says, like, at some level, this is good, at least, that the Supreme Court unanimously said that people deserve due process. Like, we are not, it's not Stalin's Russia quite yet. The bad news is, like, the way that they wrote it is that a lot of these folks, you know, are going to have to try to seek relief in the Texas Fifth Circuit, which is the most kind of hostile to asylum cases. So at some level, it is good that the court did not just give total carte blanche to the president and Stephen Miller and Tom Homan to send anybody they want to a dungeon in El Salvador. On the other hand, what are the opportunities for relief? for recourse for the people who have already been sent, there was no indication that the Supreme Court had any interest in forcing the government to return the people that are already in El Salvador. So we will keep monitoring that and we'll keep you posted on what can be done.
It's something that I'm certainly going to be asking politicians about when they come onto this podcast. In the meantime, as I mentioned, we have a two-parter today. In the second segment, it's Mark Lilla. He's a political philosophy and humanities professor at Columbia University.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
Why is America's scientific expertise under threat?
0:08–2:07
2
What are the Supreme Court's recent rulings on deportations?
2:07–4:14
3
Who is Jonathan Cohn and what role will he play at The Bulwark?
4:14–7:24
4
How are tariffs impacting Michigan's economy?
7:24–15:12
5
What are the consequences of Trump's HHS policies?
15:12–20:02
6
How is RFK Jr.'s stance on vaccines affecting public health?
20:02–32:09
7
What is the future of Medicaid under the new tax bill?
32:09–1:07:16
Speakers
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