Saagar Enjeti: “The Joke Is on Me”
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Why does Saagar Enjeti regret his vote for Trump?
Hello and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Reminder, I'm live streaming tonight. You know, I'm coming for Hasan and Destiny. We'll see how it goes. 8.30 in the East. Come hang. One thing I've been wanting to do on the podcast, I told you guys this after the election, is I've been trying to get a wider breadth of views on the show. But I have some policies, which is like no bullshitters. Sometimes people can slip through the cracks on this. And it's a little challenging on the MAGA side. getting no bullshitters because like trump by his nature forces advocates to bullshit because he's like all over the place in the issues and he himself is a bullshitter and he rug pulls people like all the time on things by changing his views in two seconds and so i've been begging today's guests to come on the show for like months literally begging like the our dms are embarrassing it's like the the lover that you have sent nine straight dms to for this reason for
He's an unapologetic right wing populist. And there's a bunch of stuff we don't agree on, but he's not full of shit. And that's been evident recently as he's allowed consistent criticism of Trump as he has betrayed the popular base on Epstein and Iran in particular. So with that glazing intro, it's the coast of breaking points. Sagar and Jetty, how you doing, brother?
Hey, thank you for having me, Tim. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I'll take it. I'll take it.
Well, obviously you feel a little nervous because it's been months. I wouldn't say I was nervous.
I won't be honest. I mean, I was conflicted about coming on your show. Why? Well, you know, I think bulwark. style politics has been kind of the antithesis of like everything I believe. This is not really a shot at you personally, but Weekly Standard and Bill Kristol, Jonathan Last, a lot of the people who you work with, Sarah Longwell. I mean, a lot of these people I would consider like my ideological enemies. And also at a policy level, these are the very people who architected some of the types of politics, which I have basically dedicated my career to try to smash down. So I was like, well, you know, what's the... appropriate level. But at the end of the day, I think some discussion across these lines is probably important.
And I finally decided to do it because I thought I want to expose, hopefully, your audience to, let's say, a Trump criticism, which they may not have heard previously, and to potentially get them to change some of their ideas or at the very least engage with some ideas which they may think that they disagree with. So that's why I decided to do it.
I love that. We are kind of on opposite sides of the horseshoe. You know, me and Graham talked about this a little bit as well, who's more of a left populist. Sure. We'll get into it. There may be more areas of agreement than disagreement than we think. And growth is good. You know, there's been growth. And, you know, events have affected people's views on things. So maybe events have certainly affected some of our views on things, some of the weekly standard types. And maybe increasingly events will start to affect your views on things. We'll see as we go over the course of the podcast. I also want to congratulate you for being the first person to do the Tucker Carlson podcast and the Bulwark podcast.
So kudos to you on that. Yeah, I know.
I saw that. I was like, wow, you told me I should get a New York Times profile. And I was like, that's like the last thing that I want.
I think that's right. I think that you should.
I was like, no, absolutely not. That's the last thing that I want. At the end of the day, I'm pretty much the same person. You know, I wouldn't say anything differently on Tucker than I would say on your show.
Explain your worldview to people, for people who don't know. You kind of just did it by contrasting against Weekly Standard World, but what is the proactive Sager worldview?
Yeah. So, I mean, I think the way that I really see the world, and this is why a lot of the stuff that originally – let's talk about so-called MAGA or Trump.
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