Stuart Stevens: We've Got Death Squads on Our Streets
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Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back to the show a former Republican media consultant. It's been a minute, though. He worked on five presidential campaigns, including as chief strategist for Mitt Romney. He's a senior advisor to the Lincoln Project. His books include The Conspiracy to End America and It Was All a Lie. It's my buddy, Stuart Stevens. What is up? Hey, Tim. Great to see you, man. Good to see you, too. In my head, over the last month or two, I was like, I'm going to wait until fall to have Stuart back on. I was thinking maybe, I don't know, I might have him on September 18th. I don't know if you have any plans on September 19th.
You know, the 20th would be better because you don't have to gloat. Yeah. That's okay.
We'll get to it then. That will be the payback game of Lane Kiffin, LSU going to Ole Miss. We'll discuss that at the end. But I couldn't wait until the fall. So we'll meet again in September. I want to start with you with this ice-killing story. In Houston, because I think that this is getting a little less attention than the pretty and good killings for a couple of reasons. Number one, we don't treat illegal immigrants as humans, even subconsciously. People are like, it's not as big of an outrage or whatever than killing a white American citizen. I think that's part of it. And also just we've had less footage, like there are just so many angles of the pretty and good shootings happening. That was clear for everybody with eyes to see that the administration was lying.
But I mean, I don't know how close you've been following this case, but it is crazy. I mean, the guy was killed by ICE in Houston. He had three other people in the car. He had kids that he'd raised in America. He'd been here 35 years, no criminal record. DHS said that they... open fire after he ignored commands and attempted to ram the officer but there are three other witnesses in the car they all say that um the officer fired at them immediately after exiting his vehicle driver didn't veer in that direction one of the other guys in the car from jail they're all they're all still in detention center right now being pressured to self-deport one of them jose rojas wrote it's impossible for them to say they were going to get run over there were no officers in front of or behind the vehicle they were on the sides
Photos show no damage to the van. I mean, this just seems like Rene Good all over again.
Well, look, you know, we have a name for this. We call it death squads. And that's what these ice agents are. They're just roaming death squads to feel that they have. And so far, it's been proven right. If they shoot somebody, fine. There's not going to be any prosecution. One of my pet things here is how the Democrats have to erect a structure to hold illegality of the Trump administration, the criminality across the board. And it's going to be up to the state attorney generals, I think, because Trump will pardon everybody. And my model is like the tobacco tort. When attorney generals got together, they picked it up. And, you know, if it's January and 29 and early into that year and Stephen Miller isn't on trial or living in a non-extradition country, something will have failed.
And that's what you have to go after. You have to go after Stephen Miller. You have to go after Kristi Noem. You have to go after these people at the very top.
Yeah. Maybe Stephen Miller can go to El Salvador.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–6:54
2
How did Stuart and Tim describe the ICE killing of Lorenzo Salgado Araujo and what evidence challenges the official account?
6:54–12:10
3
Why do the hosts call ICE agents “death squads” and what patterns of impunity do they highlight?
12:10–13:50
4
How could state attorneys general hold the Trump administration accountable despite pardons?
13:50–24:48
5
What does the Politico report reveal about ICE’s detention expansion and federal court rulings?
24:48–44:32
6
How did Stuart explain the role of race in recent elections and what should Democrats do differently?
44:32–1:04:31
Speakers
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