Real Estate M&A, Sticky Inflation, and Canada’s $25B Gamble
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Investing is simple, but don't confuse that with thinking it's easy. A stock is not just a ticker. At the end of the day, you have to remember that it's a business.
Just my reminder to people who own cyclicals, don't be surprised when there's a cycle.
If there's uncertainty in the markets, there's going to be some great opportunities for investors. This has to be one of the biggest quarters I've seen from this company in quite some time.
all right after uh 20 minutes of technical and personal logistical difficulties we're finally here with our is this the first live that we're going to be doing that's actually going to make it on the podcast it should be yeah as long as your internet doesn't mess up this time around yeah so yeah god willing this will be also a podcast episode but uh daniel foch joined here by simone belanger talking about what are we talking about today
I think we'll talk about the acquisition. I think you've talked about on your podcast, the Canadian real estate investor. So real to acquire Remax, obviously Bank of Canada, rate decision, talk a little bit about the Fed as well. And then probably touch a little bit on the new sovereign wealth fund or the Canada strong fund or anything else too. If we get some questions, I'm happy to approach those too.
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of news, right? Like we got the sovereign wealth fund thing going on. We've got Enbridge pipeline extension, which I think we covered a little bit. We've got, I mean, it sounds like Keystone XL is back on the table. So, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of news in Canada. It's nice to see some meaningful efforts to diversify our economy. I hope that they are actually going to be delivered on, I suppose. And I think that that's people's like natural inclination is to not necessarily trust, you know, announcements that come from the red team. But let's see. I mean, you know, they've they've the as they've called called it the new newly rebranded new liberal government has been delivering reasonably well on some of the things that they've promised not so reasonably well on other stuff.
So where do we want to start? Do we want to start with the real remaxing?
Yeah, let's do it. So I can go over the deal for those who are listening, because this this podcast will be available on the Canadian investor podcast feed. So you'll see it's going to be a different podcast cover with Dan's younger face on the podcast cover and myself as well. So we didn't talk about it on the podcast. A deal values remax at it. Enterprise value of around $880 million. For those not familiar, enterprise value is just market cap and then you add in the whatever debt they're taking on. So that would be valuing the current deal. It's valuing Remax at around seven times EBITDA. Once synergies have been achieved, I've seen that with a few transactions recently where they kind of value it, but they're like, oh, it's actually lower.
It's a better deal if you factor in synergies. I'm always a little bit skeptical when it comes to that because those tend to be easier said than done. There's been the transaction values, the shares of REMAX at around 1380. And you were asking me, and I'll touch on that, why the shares are actually trading higher. for less. I'll just pull it up right now. I think they're trading around $11 per share if I remember correctly when I checked a bit earlier today. So yeah, $11.01, so almost smack on $11 per share. So shareholders will be able to choose between $13.80 in cash or 5.15 shares of the new entity, RealRemax Group. Now, There's a caveat to that, and that's the reason why the share prices are actually much lower than 13 and 80, because REMAX shareholders will actually receive between 60 and 80 million in cash from the transaction.
So you can just look at the total value of the transaction, what the market cap is currently for REMAX, which I think it's in the 300, 400 million, something like that, maybe a bit more, the market cap right now. So there's a little discrepancy between that 80 million and the 300, 400 million.
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