We ain't afraid of no Ghostty! (Interview)
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Well, friends, it's the last interview show of the year, and it's a good one. For those who are new, we feature the hackers, the leaders, and those reinventing the terminal. Yes, today we're joined by Mitchell Hashimoto. Mitchell co-founded HashiCorp, took it all the way to IPO, exited in 2023, and now he's working on a terminal emulator called Ghosty. Ghosty is set to 1.0 this month, so we sit down with him and talk through all the details. A very big thank you to our friends and our partners over at Fly. Yes, Fly is the home of changelog.com. It is the public cloud for developers like us, like you, who ship. And you can learn more at fly.io. Okay, let's go, Steve. What's up, nerds? I'm here with Kurt Mackey, co-founder and CEO of Fly.
You know we love Fly. So, Kurt, I want to talk to you about the magic of the cloud. You have thoughts on this, right?
Right. I think it's valuable to understand the magic behind the cloud because you can build better features for users, basically, if you understand that. You can do a lot of stuff, particularly now that people are doing LLM stuff, but you can do a lot of stuff if you get that and can be creative with it.
So when you say clouds aren't magic because you're building a public cloud for developers and you go on to explain exactly how it works, what does that mean to you?
In some ways, it means these all came from somewhere. Like there was a simpler time before clouds where we'd get a server at Rackshack and we'd SSH or Telnet into it even and put files somewhere and run the web servers ourselves to serve them up to users. Clouds are not magic on top of that. They're just more complicated ways of doing those same things in a way that meets the needs of a lot of people instead of just one. One of the things I think that people miss out on, and a lot of this is actually because AWS and GCP have created such big black box abstractions. Like Lambda is really black boxy. You can't like pick apart Lambda and see how it works from the outside. You have to sort of just use what's there. But the reality is like Lambda is not all that complicated. It's just a modern way to launch little VMs and serve some requests from them and let them like kind of pause and resume and free up like physical compute time.
The interesting thing about understanding how clouds work is it lets you build kind of features for your users you never would expect it. And our canonical version of this for us is that like when we looked at how we wanted to isolate user code, we decided to just expose this machines concept, which is a much lower level abstraction of Lambda that you could use to build Lambda on top of. And what machines are is just these VMs. that are designed to start really fast or designed to stop and then restart really fast or designed to suspend sort of like your laptop does when it closes and resume really fast when you tell them to. And what we found is that giving people those primitive is actually there's like new apps being built that couldn't be built before.
specifically because we went so low level and made such a minimal abstraction on top of generally like Linux kernel features. A lot of our platform is actually just exposing a nice UX around Linux kernel features, which I think is kind of interesting. But like you still need to understand what they're doing to get the most use out of them.
Very cool. Okay, so experience the magic of Fly and get told the secrets of Fly because that's what they want you to do. They want to share all the secrets behind the magic of the Fly cloud, the cloud for productive developers, the cloud for developers who ship. Learn more and get started for free at fly.io. Again, fly.io.
We're here with Mitchell Hashimoto. Mitchell, it's been literally forever in literally sense how Adam says it, literally. Not how I use it, but how he uses it. Literally forever. Welcome back, man. Welcome to the show.
Thank you. Yeah, it's been 10 years since the last show. And then the first time, the only other time I was on, I think it's been like 13, 14 years. It's wild.
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