California or Canada: What's Worse?
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Okay, everybody, the Charlie Kirk show. Oh, Canada, what is going on? Ezra Levant from Canada joins us as we talk California and Canada, two messed up liberal places, and we talk about solutions for both. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and get involved with the most important organization in the country, Turning Point USA at tpusa.com. That is tpusa.com. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
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My conversation went very viral, and I think it was a good use of time. Joining us now is the expert on California, Steve Hilton, reversing the ruin of America's worst-run state. Steve joins us now. Steve, welcome to the program.
Man, it is so great to be with you. I enjoyed that so much. I think it was an absolute triumph, I got to tell you. Can I just tell you, I want to set this up the right way. Please. When I watched the whole thing, what came to my mind was this performance by Margaret Thatcher Prime Minister's Questions, go with me on this, where she absolutely eviscerated the then leader of the opposition in the House of Commons, you know that when they're jousting with each other. And there's this phrase that she used that is what came to my mind when I was watching you with Gavin Newsom. And she was calling this Labour politician, he was weak, but she did it in this incredible Margaret Thatcher way. And she went, weak, weak, Feeble, like that, incredibly powerful. And that's what I thought of Gavin Newsom. You totally dominated him. And he just came across to me as just utterly weak, weak, feeble, pathetic. It was a total revelation.
Well, thank you. And the response has been overwhelming. It has been seen tens of millions of times. People are constantly remarking on it and thought that I handled it in a gentlemanly way, but also very much confronted him on his core contradictions and major issues. So, Steve, let me ask you just a broad question. What is he doing? Why is he doing this? Because if it was all about... I thought at first it was he wanted to stand up to Maga. I'm strong enough... But he's not really doing that. No. He was kind of just... very sheepish and kind of of his own shadow. What is your prognosis of what's going on here?
Well, that's exactly right. I mean, you completely dominated him, both with your arguments and also physically. I mean, just watching it. People have to watch it, not just listen to it. You had dominated him. And I think that the... The story here is that he is trying... I mean, look, he's a machine politician. He'll say whatever is politically expedient. I know him personally. We have friends in common. I've always been clear about that. And fundamentally... I don't think that he is a left-wing ideologue. I think that he is a machine politician who will say whatever it takes to get on. And in the last few years, that has meant pandering to the people who really have the power in the Democratic Party these days, which is the far-left activists and the unions and the government unions. And they're basically the same people now because the unions are run by the far-left activists. So he's gone along with it. But now he realizes that he's got a different audience.
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