Frontier Models for Frontier Science with Professor Derya Unutmaz, Immunologist & ChatGPT Pro Grantee
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How does Professor Derya Unutmaz view AI as a collaborative partner in scientific discovery?
To say that AI cannot come out with anything novel or innovative is total nonsense. In fact, I will argue that uh very soon AI is going to be much more innovative and creative than we are. I see AI is a collaborator. It's almost on my level. It's not even like a student level anymore, like another professor who is very knowledgeable in the field. These are fields that I've actually generated the knowledge, made discoveries on as a scientist. If I'm finding the AI valuable even in those topics I am finding it very, very difficult to believe that there is anyone in the world who would not f get value out of this. I mean, not a single person.
Hello and welcome back to the Cognitive Revolution. Today my guest is Professor Daria Unutmaz, biomedical scientist, human immunologist, and ChatGPT pro grantee, who is aggressively using the latest AI models to aid his research into aging and cancer immunotherapies. Deria is a fascinating figure. He's a medical doctor who has personally advanced the frontiers of biomedical knowledge with many academic papers and patents over the course of his thirty plus year career. A technology enthusiast who has loved computers and programming since his youth. A visionary who thinks differently enough that he took Kurtzweil's vision of a technology singularity seriously long before it went mainstream. And an outspoken critic of those who would deny or delay the contributions that AI can already make to scientific discovery.
In this conversation, I tried first and foremost to get a sense for how world-class domain experts like Daria are applying the latest AI models to their work. To my surprise, it turns out that while he is finding value at every step of the scientific process, including hypothesis generation, literature review, experimental design, and data analysis, his approach is actually quite straightforward. He does sometimes use more advanced techniques like having two instances of a model debate the merits of a particular research direction, but mostly he recommends a natural conversational approach to today's models. What sets him apart then from those who are failing to realize value from AI assistance isn't some advanced prompt engineering or scaffolding, but rather an opportunity oriented mindset that starts with relentless curiosity, embraces trial and error, and is always genuinely looking for ways to make things work.
None of that is to say, however, that his results are basic. On the contrary, I think his accounts of AI Eureka moments are some of the most compelling that I've heard. In one fascinating example, he asked deep research to analyze gene expression patterns in T cells across young and elderly subjects. A data set that his team had struggled to fully interpret. The AI provided insights that, in Darius' words, recapitulated everything I've done in the past thirty years in one sentence, identifying how the cells themselves were aging in ways that the team hadn't fully appreciated. Today, Daria views AI systems as intellectual partners that are capable of contributing to frontier professional work, even going so far as to say that he no longer trusts his own knowledge or ideas without consulting AIs first.
Perhaps most provocatively, Daria argues that it has become now unethical not to use AI in medical contexts, both clinically, as it's been repeatedly demonstrated that AI can help reduce errors and improve outcomes, and also in research, since every day matters to the many millions of people who are waiting for breakthroughs to address their life threatening conditions. As you might expect, I wholeheartedly agree, and I was really glad to hear that Daria sees resistance gradually giving way to curiosity and even excitement as more and more people see tangible results. As always, if you're finding value in the show, we'd appreciate it if you'd share it with a friend. We'd love a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and we welcome your feedback via our website, cognitive revolution.ai, or by DMing me on your favorite social network.
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