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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Good morning and welcome to The Daily Aus. It's Monday the 22nd of June. I'm Elliott Laurie. I'm Sam Kozlowski. One in three people living in Australia right now was born overseas. It's one of the highest proportions in the world and right now every political party has a different idea about whether that number should go up, down or stay the same.
Undeniably, immigration or immigration policy has our country in the state of crisis.
Today, we're breaking down the current migration figures, why the debate over immigration is dominating headlines, and what the different sides of politics have to say about it. But first, here's a quick word from Ange and the TDA team.
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Chapter 2: What are the current immigration figures in Australia?
Let's talk figures. Give me a sense of where migration stands in Australia right now.
So the figures are often quite different. We get them from the Australian Bureau of Statistics and they often sound quite large and that's because they measure it in two different ways. The first is called Overseas Arrivals and Departures or OAD and that counts every single border crossing. So I'm talking about
if the same person came into the country three times, they'd be counted three times crossing the border. So sometimes we hear these really large figures getting thrown out in political debate, and that's being referred to this number.
The ABS actually put out a warning about this this week and said don't use that in political debate or reporting because it can sometimes inflate migration figures by as much as 60% because you're double or triple counting some people.
But just to clarify, if somebody comes for a holiday to Australia for a week, that's not counted in the migration figures, right?
Well, no, because the official migration figures is another figure from the ABS. It's called net overseas migration or NOM, you might hear it referred to as. And it's the number of people who move to Australia minus the number of people who leave. So it's the net migration.
So when that person gets back on the flight to leave Australia after a couple of weeks... then they're taken away from that net overseas migration figure.
Yes, or it could also count people leaving. Right.
Okay, interesting. So if, let's say, somebody has been here on a student visa to do their degree here and then they leave to go back to their home country, then that net overseas migration number captures the fact that they left and somebody came.
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Chapter 3: Why is the immigration debate dominating Australian headlines?
Yes, exactly. Okay. And they actually check travel history as well. So it doesn't just depend on the incoming travel cards, whereas the other data does just look at that. So it's a much more accurate measure.
It's a very big difference between the two numbers.
It's a massive difference. And it's how we understand this whole debate at the moment. I think a lot of the outrage we see about migration numbers is because we see it as up in the millions. But the figures that we got last week about immigration in Australia told us that migration is actually falling. It fell to 306,000 people in 2025. Based on that net overseas migration figure. Exactly.
And that's the second year in a row that it's dropped. So the peak was actually 538,000 people in 2023. You can imagine. Wow. Just after the pandemic. Yeah, exactly. So there was kind of a backlog of people wanting to enter the country or wanting to migrate. And so that's why it was so high that year. And then it's fallen twice in the subsequent years.
The government is forecasting that it will keep falling to 245,000 this year.
And so if we step away from the year by year migration figures and look at the overall makeup of Australia, the fabric of who is actually in Australia right now, how many people in Australia right now were actually born overseas?
This is actually very interesting for me to look into. So the ABS released the most recent data in April and they said that 32% of Australia's population was born overseas.
That's remarkable. One in three Australians were born overseas.
Almost one in three, not quite statistically.
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Chapter 4: How do different political parties view immigration policy?
And then what do we know if we take it even further back and look at where people's parents were born?
So this was also interesting. We have one in three people being born overseas and then actually almost half of all Aussies have at least one parent who was born overseas. Wow.
Right. So that gives you a really good sense of the current dynamic in Australia. Why is this still a huge political flashpoint?
So it's a couple of reasons. I'm going to run through them, but please take it all with a grain of salt. The first one is housing. So we have this ongoing housing crisis in Australia and people often point to migration as being the center issue for it. It is a little bit more technical than that. A lot of it is to do with supply and some other issues that we have.
But that also ties into a lot of the broader infrastructure pressures that migration can sometimes cause. So we think about Australia's schools, hospitals, roads. These are all things that have to be accounted for when considering how many people we can take in a year. Now, there is one party that is driving a lot of rhetoric around migration at the moment. You may have heard of it.
Pauline Hanson's One Nation been absolutely dominating headlines for the past few weeks, mainly because they've been surging in the polls. And the reason that's important to this discussion is because One Nation's party platform has largely been around reducing migration.
So that brings us to now where we've got all the kind of major parties across the political spectrum kind of working out how to respond to this surge in popularity for One Nation.
I want to get into where all the parties stand on migration. I think it's important to not just look at One Nation in this discussion, but also the other major players in Australian politics. Before we get there, a quick message from today's sponsor.
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Chapter 5: What are the key factors affecting Australia's immigration numbers?
What she said is she doesn't accept that it should be a multicultural country.
Okay.
So she's saying basically if you immigrate to Australia, you should be forced to adhere to quote-unquote Australian values.
Okay. So one culture.
One culture. What that culture is, I'm not exactly sure. We don't have sort of a firm document from Pauline on what she wants the monoculture to look like. However, I thought an interesting part in all of this conversation was a response from Angus Taylor.
As I mentioned earlier, he had kind of One Nation-ish style policies earlier on, but he's actually come out and said, quote, I judge people on their character and their conduct. If Pauline Hanson wants to judge people based on the color of their skin or their race, One Nation needs to explain that.
Interesting. So there's clearly emerging kind of red lines, as we would say in politics, for the Liberal National Coalition when thinking about a relationship with One Nation, which would obviously favour them in the polls, but there's going to be a bit of kind of policy difference in the way that those three parties all come together in a right-wing environment. Really interesting.
Yes. One more thing that I'll say on the monocultural point is she really doubled down on wanting people to speak English. So she said that she would get rid of the SBS as part of her platform because they have different language services.
And she was saying that while you can have your own cultural traditions, everyone should be expected in Australia to speak English as their primary language everywhere.
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Chapter 6: How does Australia's multicultural population impact the immigration debate?
Oh, gosh, yes. We do have a tidbit. Do you have one?
I do have one.
Oh, good. So what do you do when you migrate? Normally you fly on a plane. This is a plane related titbit.
Okay. Go on.
There's an airline that many Australians would have caught which are actually cutting the in-flight food service as part of the ticket. Hawaiian Airlines is feeling the pinch and now you can no longer get a complimentary meal in your economy ticket to Hawaii or sometimes you can fly on Hawaiian Airlines to get to somewhere else in the Pacific or the U.S.,
you have to order it as an expensive next part of the deal online ahead of time. It's really interesting. And I think that it goes to the increasing costs on airlines. I mean, there's now a 60-day peace deal in the Strait of Hormuz, which means that there'll be fuel flowing through, but airlines are still feeling the pinch.
But you will be pleased to know that all passengers will still be served a free welcome beverage plus a locally made snack and sweet treat.
I thought you were going to talk about the long-haul flight from Sydney to London as the tidbit.
Oh, well, that's actually been a big topic of conversation in the office of whether you would be up for the 22-hour flight Sydney to London direct. I say 22. I could do 30. Oh, my God. Like the idea of not stopping getting off a plane and getting onto another plane, bring it on.
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