He Was Deported to a Country He’d Never Heard Of
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What is the Trump administration’s “third‑country deportation” policy and why is it controversial?
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From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is the Daily. In its effort to deport as many undocumented immigrants as possible, the Trump administration has relied more and more on a highly controversial strategy. Deporting people to countries they have no connection to. The practice has drawn outrage from civil rights groups and immigrant advocates. And last week, a federal court ruled that it was illegal because it violated people's rights to due process. The administration has challenged that ruling and now it's in front of the Supreme Court. And so today, my colleague, Nicholas Casey, explains what it actually looks like. To be sent to a country you do not know.
It's Monday, September twenty eighth.
Nick Casey, welcome back to the Daily.
Thanks, Rachel.
So Nick, late last week we got word that the Supreme Court was basically poised to decide whether to block the Trump administration's ability to deport people to countries they are not from. This is known as third country deportations. It's also a practice that you've been following extensively. So tell us how this works.
So a third country deportation is when the US deports someone not to the country that they're from, but to just another country. It can even seem to be like a random country. Often the person has no connection to the place that they're being sent to. And this is a strategy which has become a hallmark now of the Trump administration. Trump came to office obviously promising to really ramp up deportations and and this is very much part of it. But this goes beyond really anything that's been done by previous administrations, largely because many of the countries that people are being sent to now have really spotty human rights records. And the fact that the US has been sending people to these countries
Just kind of raises fundamental questions about America itself. Like what is our relationship to these places that have got bad human rights records? What's our relationship to people that we are deporting? What human rights do we grant these people? And so this week the Supreme Court's going to decide essentially, can this practice continue?
And what do we know about the people who are being deported this way?
Yeah, I mean, according to the administration, this is a tool that it's been using to go after people with criminal records. They've even called them depraved monsters. They've said that they are the worst of the worst. This is why it's doing it. And it is true that in the case of people that have committed crimes in the U.S. and have served jail time, it's pretty common that their countries of origin. May say no when America is asking to send them back. But I've been looking into these deportations, and I've seen like this practice is sweeping up people with all kinds of different backgrounds, not just people with criminal backgrounds. It is true there there are a number of people that have committed crimes that are getting deported this way.
But there's also another class of people that's also quite large. that are being deported this way, who are people that immigration judges had banned from being deported to their countries of origin, because if they were, they faced a a credible threat, usually of torture. And these are the reasons why the Trump administration has had trouble deporting these people. And for the last few months I've been talking to one man in particular who's been swept up in this, and his name is Roberto Mosquera.
So tell us about Roberto.
How does the podcast define a “third‑country deportation” and what legal challenges have arisen?
Who is he?
Hey Roberto, how are you doing? I'm doing okay, man.
Okay,
good.
Well Roberto Vosquera is fifty-nine and he's been in the US uh almost all of his life.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the Trump administration’s “third‑country deportation” policy and why is it controversial?
0:01–4:30
2
How does the podcast define a “third‑country deportation” and what legal challenges have arisen?
4:30–7:50
3
Who is Roberto Mosquera and what was his life like in the United States before deportation?
7:50–10:24
4
Why was Roberto sent to a country he’d never heard of, and how did the flight to Eswatini unfold?
10:24–13:33
5
What are the conditions inside the maximum‑security prison in Eswatini where Roberto is held?
13:33–16:43
6
How did Roberto’s hunger strike develop and what impact did it have on his situation?
16:43–19:40
7
What is the Supreme Court currently deciding about third‑country deportations?
19:40–24:42
8
How many people are affected by third‑country deportations and what are the broader human‑rights implications?
24:42–28:54
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