Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is Andrew Ross Sorkin, the founder of Dealbook. Every year, I interview some of the world's most influential leaders across politics, culture, and business at the Dealbook Summit, a live event in New York City. On this year's podcast, you'll hear my unfiltered conversations with Gavin Newsom, the CEO of Palantir and Anthropic, and Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk.
Listen to Dealbook Summit wherever you get your podcasts.
Chapter 2: What challenges do female celebrities face in the spotlight?
From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro. One of the things I often get asked about this job is, what is the hardest thing about interviewing famous people? And the answer is both obvious and a real challenge.
Chapter 3: How did Jennifer Lawrence's early career shape her perspective?
Many stars, and especially female stars, have experienced the ugly side of celebrity culture, which has made them wary about opening up. That's also true for today's guest, Jennifer Lawrence. Lawrence had a heady start to her career, starring in two huge franchises, The Hunger Games and X-Men, and winning an Oscar for Silver Linings Playbook all before she turned 23.
Off camera, the public couldn't seem to get enough of her offbeat humor and outspoken persona.
Chapter 4: What led Jennifer Lawrence to take a break from acting?
Privately, though, Lawrence told me she was feeling pretty beat up and was waiting for the inevitable backlash. And it came in waves of negative attention and headlines about whether she was too much, too annoying, too outspoken, a fake. So after almost a decade of being in the limelight in 2018, Lawrence took a step back from acting, fired her agency and did some soul searching.
And now, as I found out when I sat down with her, she is demonstrably different. We talked in advance of her new film, Lynne Ramsey's Die, My Love. She plays a young mother losing her mind in rural Montana. Lawrence told me her character, Grace, brought up a lot of complicated feelings because of her own struggles with postpartum symptoms.
We started, though, talking about how this project came to her, which involved a very famous director and his very private book club.
Chapter 5: How does motherhood influence Jennifer Lawrence's acting choices?
Here's my conversation with Jennifer Lawrence. Thank you so much for joining the interview. I'm so excited to talk. Thanks for having me. I want to talk about your new film because I have a lot of thoughts.
Chapter 6: What themes are explored in Jennifer Lawrence's new film?
This film was adapted from a book by Ariana Harvitz, and Martin Scorsese was the one who wanted you to play this role after he read the book in his book club. I know. When you reached out, what did he say?
It was very complimentary, so I would be remiss to repeat. No, it was very nice.
Chapter 7: How does Jennifer Lawrence relate to her character's struggles?
But he was just like, I think first of all, like he said that I should read it and that, you know, I would be good in it. And I read it. I was actually, I had just had my first baby. And so it was, it was a lot. It was really overwhelming. I like, I read it in one read. one sitting. But I was actually in a really good place in my postpartum journey.
I didn't struggle in the kind of classic postpartum way. I bonded right away with my son.
Chapter 8: What insights does Jennifer Lawrence share about mental health?
And so I think because of that, I was able to Allow my mind to kind of go to those darker places. I think if I was in a dark place and I read it, I would be too afraid of it. And so it's kind of like turning all the lights on and looking at the monster under the bed or something. Before we move on. Who is in Marty Scorsese's book club? I know. I don't know. I mean— I could just ask.
I think you need to ask. I mean, the worst he could say is, I don't feel like telling you. Are you in a book club? I'm in a soft book club. We tried. We tried to make, like, an official book, but we're just too different in our tastes.
Okay.
Back to the film, as I was watching it, it seemed to me sort of like this scream against the current elevation of domestic life and perfect motherhood as sort of the pinnacle of female achievement. What is this film about for you?
It kind of morphs for me. I think that it's definitely about... somebody losing her identity and motherhood and rage at not just her husband, but the change of the relationship, the change of the love. But what I really like about it is it's kind of, it's poetry. There's not kind of a single way to look at it. There's like a statement and then breathing room for you to read into what...
the statement means to you. Everybody I talk to comes away with something different. How do you view what Grace, your character, is actually going through?
Because I've read reviews that say that she has postpartum depression. I've read reviews that say that she, you know, is bipolar. I've read reviews that say that she has psychosis. I'm wondering, first of all, does it matter? And then how you understood what she is experiencing.
That's another thing that kind of morphed for me and never really felt like one thing. I was pregnant. I was in my second trimester. When you were filming this? When I was filming this. And I think there were like... There were certain realities that I just, I couldn't, like, look at.
And I spoke to a postpartum specialist who told me that the number one cause of death in mothers in the first year is suicide. Hmm. And that obviously went into our thinking about the ending, the forest. What is the forest? What is the fire? Do they find their way back to each other? What does all of it mean? And so I think I saw the forest as more of like a cleansing place.
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