Chapter 1: What is the impact of the government shutdown on SNAP benefits?
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From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily. You get benefits on the first, yeah?
Yeah. And what happened today?
They just didn't load.
It says that they will arrive, but they will be late.
The Trump administration has agreed to restore some of the funding for the food program known as SNAP. But there's still uncertainty about how much money will come through and when. What would that normally look like today? It would be like $7.80. Is there an account balance? I have 12 cents. Tens of millions of Americans, one in eight, rely on SNAP.
Without federal assistance, many people do not know how they will provide for themselves or their families.
I adopted my grandson. He's two. And it's terrifying thinking I can't feed him.
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Chapter 2: How do families in West Virginia rely on food assistance?
Whatever it takes to do it, I'm going to feed them.
You think people might get really desperate?
They are now.
We're going to be against each other over something as simple as a loaf of bread before it's over.
There's already people that have to decide between food and their medicine.
Have you ever had to make a choice like that?
A couple of times.
A couple of times.
And if it wasn't for this food bank about two months ago, if it wasn't for this food bank, me and my little grandson would have starved for about 10 days. We eat mashed potatoes and macaroni for four days out of this food bank. And I wouldn't have had nothing to eat with that little boy if I hadn't of. And most of the time I didn't need it all because I'm making sure he had something.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do SNAP recipients face during the shutdown?
Many of them are children. Some of them are veterans. They're seniors. It's a pretty wide swath of the population that relies on this critical federal safety net program. But there are some restrictions to it. Generally speaking, to get on SNAP, you have to make or earn an amount of money near the poverty line. Mm-hmm.
For people who qualify, the average benefit per person is about $187 a month, which is critical to helping these people buy groceries, but doesn't go all the way in meeting all of their nutrition needs. And so that's why SNAP is part of this bigger picture of food pantries and other services that help address the issue of hunger here in the United States.
And in short, the way it works is that the federal government approves money for SNAP, and eventually that money makes its way to states and onto benefit cards that millions of Americans use.
How did SNAP end up in the crosshairs of the administration to begin with?
SNAP has been in the crosshairs of Republicans for some time now. It even predates this administration because there's a belief among Republicans that many of the people who receive those benefits don't actually need them or don't deserve them.
And so we've seen a number of instances in which Republicans have led efforts to restrict who can be part of SNAP and the kinds of benefits that people can receive.
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Chapter 4: How are local food pantries supporting families in need?
And we saw this most recently in the context of the debate around the president's tax package. where one of the ways Republicans offset the massive cost of that bill was to cut SNAP, to impose new work requirements on recipients, which helped save Washington some money, but also created a situation in which millions of people may lose access to benefits as a result.
And so in many ways, what we're seeing right now is that play out on a much larger scale. Because while President Trump has been willing to move around various pots of money within the budget during the shutdown to ease some of its impacts, he's largely done that for programs that he personally cares about or those that may be essential to his political agenda.
But in others like SNAP, where Republicans have long sought to cut, this administration has not been as generous and hasn't been as willing to move money around. And indeed, that's why this administration is only providing partial payments. It's because a court has told them to.
Basically, what you're saying is that during the shutdown, the administration has found ways, sometimes questionable, sometimes temporary, but nevertheless has found ways to pay for other things it needs to fund, like the military, for example, other federal employees. So this feels a little bit more deliberate. And I just sort of wonder what purpose withholding SNAP serves politically is.
In some ways, this is about political retribution. If you rewind the clock back a few weeks, when President Trump was asked about the shutdown and how he was going to handle it, he said that he was going to go after, quote, And President Trump at the time didn't really explain what he meant. He didn't identify anything specific.
But what we have seen since the president made that threat is a very deliberate effort across the administration to cut funding streams that they associate with members of the political opposition.
And even President Trump sort of acknowledged this just a few days ago when he said that the SNAP program was one that largely benefited Democrats, that most of the people on the program were Democratic voters. We know that that is not indeed the case.
But throughout all of this has just been this very clear effort to go after areas that Democrats like in a bid to pressure them into coming to the negotiating table.
How does this fit into sort of the larger agenda of the Trump administration vis-a-vis cutting the government, shrinking the government, cutting programs?
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