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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily. Over the weekend, we heard one message after another message about how a peace deal with Iran was coming. The framework was in place, we were told, and we were on the verge of it. And then suddenly, there was a new round of airstrikes and threats.
And so today, I talked to my colleagues David Sanger and Tyler Pager about what happened and how to make sense of this dramatic reversal. It's Wednesday, May 27th. David, Tyler, welcome to The Daily.
Thanks, Rachel. Great to be here.
Thanks for having us. It's very exciting to talk to both of you at the same time in the DC studio. You've been working furiously over a very long holiday weekend that I think a lot of people went into with some sense that there might be a deal to end the war with Iran.
And then we all went off to our weekends, not you two, of course, but we come back and on Tuesday, not only is there no deal to end the war, but the United States, we learned, struck a bunch of targets in Iran on Monday night.
So I think a lot of people are confused about the state of play and want to understand how did we go from a feeling that something might be imminent to where we are today, Tuesday afternoon. Tyler, you were with the president all weekend. Why don't we start with you?
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Chapter 2: What led to the sudden shift in U.S.-Iran negotiations?
So he was doing neither of those two things. He was coming back to the White House. And they didn't explicitly give us a reason. And at that moment, I asked a White House official, what should we expect for this weekend? And the White House official told me 50-50. 50-50, we're restarting the war. 50-50, we have a nuclear deal, or at least progress toward that.
So on Saturday morning, the president posts on True Social about a call he had just had with a collection of leaders from the Arab world to discuss a peace deal that they are encouraging him to take. And he strikes quite an optimistic tone about what...
He says, if I recall correctly, that the final details of a deal are being discussed. They're going to be announced shortly.
Yeah. And he doesn't give a lot of details. All that he says is, in addition to many other elements of the agreement, the Strait of Hormuz will be opened.
And can I just pause here? Because at this point, I think people might be a little bit confused what we're talking about when we say a deal, when we refer to Trump saying a deal is going to be announced. David, when it comes to Iran, what are we talking about exactly when we say deal?
Well, the president uses that phrase, obviously, to cover a wide range of things. But he wasn't talking about a nuclear deal. He wasn't talking about a missile deal. He wasn't talking about a deal that would actually get to any of the substantive issues that led him to attack Iran along with Israel, joining in with him on February 28th.
What he was talking about, really, was a sort of memorandum of understanding, to put it in the real estate world of... Business terms. Right, business terms of Donald Trump, that basically said that they would reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a process that would probably take 30 days or so by the time you demine it and figure it out, and then use the time...
Secretary of State Rubio said, up to 60 days to negotiate on the real issues of substance. So this deal was really just a way to get back to the status quo at the time the war started, not really to go solve any of the fundamental questions.
Can you just explain that a little bit? When you say status quo, remind us sort of what the state of play was when this war started.
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Chapter 3: What were the expectations for a peace deal with Iran over the weekend?
So what do they want? The U.S. wants to get that near-bomb-grade uranium out of the country.
The idea is to dig it up and give it up.
That's right. So the Iranians, of course, say, hey, look, it's our right as a signatory of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to produce nuclear fuel. So we don't want to give up everything. So there's been a lot of back and forth on that issue. And the arguments over the weekend were highly focused on just that wording.
Well, let's talk about those arguments. Tyler, as these updates are trickling out, what kinds of reactions are you seeing, and what are these arguments over specifically?
Yeah, I mean, this is getting right at the heart of what has been dividing much of Trump's base since the war began, which is those who think Trump should continue bombing Iran and in their parlance finish the job, and those who are... opposed to the war and see the economic costs of it and worried about the politics of the war and want Trump to figure out a way out.
So for those who want the war to continue, those so-called Iran hawks... I think we hit a wall on deal-making. ...like Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a close ally of President Trump, are quite concerned about the contours of the deal.
...hurt them more... Maybe they'll make a deal if you hurt them enough. But right now, I think they're trying to wait us out. I think they're playing games. And in the words of the president, I think they're crazy. I think he's right.
He was quite worried that Iran was playing the United States and delaying negotiations over the most contentious issues in a way that would just kick the can down the road and be detrimental to the United States and to the region more broadly.
Mm-hmm.
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Chapter 4: How did President Trump's actions impact the peace talks?
They fear that the outlines of this deal is problematic and that Trump should not let up on the military action until he gets more concessions. Mm-hmm. There are many in the president's coalition who do not think the war is won yet and any negotiated settlement is too soon.
Mm-hmm. You know, Rachel, what's interesting when you talk to those in the Republican Party, including like Roger Wicker, the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who have been arguing for finishing the job, it's essentially an acknowledgment that the president has achieved none of the political objectives that he laid out in the opening hours of the war.
And they don't want to go back to a situation where you might get the Strait opened, although there'll be some degree of Iranian control, presumably, but you still have a nuclear program, you still have a missile program, and that the president fundamentally will have conducted 38 days of combat operations and have nothing to show for it from his original objectives.
And when I asked the president about this on the way back from China...
You did it for 38 days. Well, no, we did, and we did not get the political changes in Iran. I had a total military victory, but the fake news, guys like you, write incorrectly. You're a fake guy.
That's when he blew up at me and described the New York Times' coverage as treasonous.
I actually think it's sort of treasonous what you write, but you and the New York Times and CNN, I would say, are the worst.
I believe he called you treasonous.
He did, and the Times. We both got to share in it.
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Chapter 5: What does the proposed deal with Iran entail?
Paxton will face off against Democrat James Tallarico, a race that could affect control of the United States Senate. Today's episode was produced by Claire Tennis-Getter and Jessica Chung. It was edited by Michael Benoit and Patricia Willans. It contains music by Marian Lozano. Our theme music is by Wonderly. And this episode was engineered by Alyssa Moxley. That's it for The Daily.
I'm Rachel Abrams. See you tomorrow.