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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: HOW DO WE GET ALL THREE?

28 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What does Jeremy think about the potential trade for George Hill?

0.031 - 4.101 Dan Le Batard

This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast.

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8.114 - 23.96 Mike Ryan

What's going to happen with John Morant? Now, the Grizzlies have all of their picks. And if the Heat are the only team on the market looking for John Morant, the question becomes, will Memphis eventually be able to be willing to give up one of their picks to Miami?

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24.04 - 39.491 Mike Ryan

Because if the Heat can acquire one of those picks in a trade for John Morant, potentially they can use that pick to package with that 2030 and 2030 pick. For Giannis Antetokounmpo. Did you hear what he said, though? You can add John Morant and Giannis Antetokounmpo.

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39.511 - 49.579 Greg Cody

You guys aren't going to be like this until next Thursday, are you? You're going to be like this until next Thursday when the only thing that's going to be traded at the deadline is again George Hill?

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Chapter 2: What are the implications of John Morant's situation for the Heat?

49.559 - 74.233 Mike Ryan

was a big piece at the time is he even it's always a big piece is he still in the league i think somebody's put it on the pole at levitard show is somebody going to trade for george hill next week it's a guaranteed loss in the eastern finals i think i'd like to eat to trade for george hill at this point george hill is no longer in the league here lebron james an expiring contract at 52 million dollars now there was a report today that the calves would be welcoming him back with open arms but if they did that was probably going to

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74.213 - 86.152 Mike Ryan

be in the offseason because of the salaries and where they're at. DeAndre Hunter, Jared Allen, maybe potentially more in exchange for LeBron James. But where else could LeBron want to go? Could he want a reunion with the Miami Heat?

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86.172 - 88.356 Stugotz

Dan, you just missed it.

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88.376 - 105.487 Greg Cody

Sazlo put a poll on his Twitter account yesterday. What is most ridiculous? Shador is a pro bowler. Belichick's not a Hall of Famer. LeBron did not influence the Lakers drafting Bronny. The win The winner was LeBron. The winner of Zaz's poll was LeBron.

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105.788 - 127.249 Mike Ryan

Yeah. It is the most ridiculous and not believable. LeBron didn't influence the Lakers to draft Bronny James when Rich Paul. LeBron. James is here at $52 million. Now, what potential money could the Lakers want to take on? Could Andrew Wiggins be a piece that they would want? Now, he would compliment Luka Doncic pretty well.

127.57 - 138.305 Mike Ryan

Kahlil Ware, obviously, as a young guy on a contract, he's a great lob threat for Luka Doncic, so he might be a potential opportunity. Rich Paul publicly threatening teams. You better not draft Brawny.

Chapter 3: How could Giannis Antetokounmpo fit into the Heat's plans?

138.645 - 164.954 Mike Ryan

He will go play overseas. Rich Paul, I don't know if you're aware, LeBron's agent. No communication here, apparently, between LeBron and the Lakers. LeBron actually wants people to believe. Is that if Giannis Antetokounmpo is a piece here and then becomes repped by Rich Paul, does that benefit LeBron James more? Does that benefit potentially the Miami Heat as they've had a reunion?

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164.994 - 186.874 Mike Ryan

Then there's Anthony Davis. That's a big question. Could he end up in Toronto? It's just like nonstop lies is what it is. How does LeBron expect anyone to believe he has not influenced the Lakers to draft Bronny James? And when the report comes out, how do you even utter that report? How do you expect anyone to believe that when those words come out?

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186.854 - 203.87 Mike Ryan

the Sacramento Kings, because DeMontis Sabonis is another guy that's been rumored to be wanted by Toronto. But where does that money go? DeMar DeRozan. Now, he's a big guy. He's that downhill threat we spoke about potentially for the Warriors. Who do they move over to Sacramento? Could that be Jonathan Kaminga? But then there's Buddy Heald.

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204.17 - 219.466 Mike Ryan

He's got $9 million, $9.6 next year, a $10 million player option. You can move him over here and the Blazers. That's the interesting piece. Drew Holliday. How do you get LeBron James, Giannis, and Ja? That's going to be pretty difficult. I know how to get them back.

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219.867 - 227.396 Greg Cody

I know how to get them back. Don't just fade it down. Guys, I'm going to talk football. Hey, I'm going to talk football. I'm going to talk football.

227.456 - 240.351 Mike Ryan

No, they don't care about that. If you wanted to move Andrew Wiggins potentially over to the Lakers in exchange for LeBron James and say it was either Fontecchio or Rozier as expiring salary for them, then you could –

Chapter 4: What are the trade scenarios involving LeBron James?

240.331 - 265.463 Mike Ryan

Is it possible that LeBron, okay, follow me here. Is it possible that LeBron says that he didn't ask the Lakers to draft Bronny because he's distancing himself from his son so that if he gets traded, he doesn't have to bring Bronny with him? Maybe he's trying to distance himself. No, James. says, I want to go to Miami. You move LeBron for Wiggins and Rozier.

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265.503 - 282.299 Mike Ryan

Expiring contracts, Wiggins can be the complement. You could potentially acquire a pick from the Lakers as they have all of these picks here. You can get it in 2031. They're going to be bad by then. You get him. You potentially get John Morant for expiring money in a pick. Maybe that's Norman Powell. Maybe you add Hamehaka as a potential asset, but see if you can get a pick sent from Memphis.

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282.319 - 290.147 Mike Ryan

You take those two picks that you just acquired from the Lakers and the Grizzlies. You package them with the two picks you have here. You take Kalal Ware and whatever money you have left over, you send it for Giannis.

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290.167 - 290.267 Jason Tatum

Oh my

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290.247 - 306.855 Mike Ryan

God, Bron, you demanded a trade from the Lakers. You wouldn't even make your son come with you? No, no, no. It was not my idea for Bronny to come to Lakers. I never told him to. I don't care about Bronny coming with me. Never my idea. How about that? How about that?

307.51 - 327.273 Mike Ryan

Carl Anthony Towns is a fascinating piece in all of this because I don't know if the Blazers want him, but the rumors are that the Knicks want Drew Holiday. Now, why would they want Drew Holiday? What has Giannis been saying recently? He's been saying that he wants to play with his old teammates. So if the Knicks can potentially swing a deal for Drew Holiday, he's sitting here at $32 million.

327.673 - 335.863 Mike Ryan

Kat's at $50 million, and you have Giannis' $54 million. So how do the numbers work here? Well, you potentially send Kat to Milwaukee. All right, enough of this. Enough of this.

335.843 - 337.025 Greg Cody

I'm done with this.

337.245 - 337.706 Mike Ryan

Stop.

Chapter 5: How does the discussion around Jayson Tatum's legacy unfold?

340.23 - 352.768 Greg Cody

You guys can come back next Friday after the trade deadline, after the only thing that's been traded is George Hill. Every year we do this. Every year it's the same thing. And the trade deadline comes and goes and there's never a giant trade.

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352.828 - 371.644 Mike Ryan

In all seriousness, I don't know if you can tell, like now I'm being really serious here. Of all seriousness, the Miami Heat are in these conversations every single year. This one is shaping up to be the wackiest of delusions. We're talking about the Heat acquiring Ja Morant. And LeBron James and Giannis Antetokounmpo all at the same time.

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371.664 - 391.667 Greg Cody

That's correct. That's how the Heat always do it every year. I've been around in all the times where it is that somebody's trying to trade Michael Jordan for Alan Ogg because the Heat don't want to give anything away in order to get the best player. I've been doing that show for some form and some form, been listening to those fans for many, many years.

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391.687 - 398.115 Mike Ryan

Look, I don't want to break the fourth rail here, but I'm kidding about all three of them potentially being here.

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398.095 - 401.804 Unknown

Oh, get out of here.

401.905 - 404.451 Greg Cody

I mean, what are you doing? What are you doing?

405.313 - 409.905 Mike Ryan

Minor penalty, two minutes for explaining the show. Well, get out of here. Fourth rail callback.

410.105 - 436.626 Greg Cody

I know. Get out of here. That was a good call by him, though. So the thing that I wanted to ask you guys about football, because I thought, and I know that it's later in the week, okay, but I thought that that Rams-Seahawks game was so seismic in terms of the number of things being decided. By nothing. By just whispers and inches and nonsense.

436.646 - 452.185 Greg Cody

So two of the things that I wanted to recall that we did not talk very much about. So Reek Woolen, I believe his first name is actually Tariq, and it's shortened to Reek. and I would have no confusion about that if the Seahawks had lost.

Chapter 6: What are the key points about the role of coaches in critical moments?

495.967 - 514.72 Greg Cody

Go attack him because this is a weakened player. And this is like the wild man in terms of when someone's weakened. You smell the blood and you go attack that. So that's a name that we would know historically for all time with blunders if the result had been different, okay?

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515.221 - 534.421 Greg Cody

But the thing that I wanted to put in front of you guys conversationally is when exactly and how exactly did football get to the point where we were all good with the unsportsmanlike. We talk about penalties all the time. This wasn't a pass interference. Everybody was good with, yep, that's taunting, and you can't call that there.

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534.441 - 555.919 Greg Cody

Like, everybody was good with, what an idiot, but nobody was saying... Why are you calling a taunting of a bench in a game this important, with this many important things, that is what you're gonna do to decide it? You're gonna enforce the rules, and so whether you object or agree with what I'm saying, it doesn't matter. Fine, you believe in sportsmanship.

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556.36 - 576.415 Greg Cody

When did it change so much, though, that the consensus was, yeah, dumb guy, and not, You can't call that there. That guy's just talking to people on the sidelines. You can't be that interested in sportsmanship that you're going to decide this game and that guy's reputation for decades after this with that call in that spot.

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576.735 - 588.973 Mike Ryan

I feel like it's implied, though. I feel like the more egregious thing from a fan perspective is don't allow... the official to do the shitty call. I think that is the overriding.

589.053 - 607.753 Greg Cody

I'm not confused about why they called it. I'm talking about the shift that everyone's come over to repressions on sportsmanship where they've scrubbed out of the game. The talking so much that something that would be the most normal thing in the NBA is about to decide who's going to the Superbowl because a guy gets emotional and wants to say to the sideline, eat this.

607.733 - 618.944 Stugotz

It's going back to the NFL being the no fun league, right? Remember when you couldn't do dances, you couldn't do celebrations, you couldn't do any of these things. Like these refs are just turned into robots of I see a call, I make a call. There's no context or timing.

618.964 - 622.755 Greg Cody

But Tony, it's not the refs. It's they brainwash the audience, too, because no one knows.

Chapter 7: What does the panel say about the influence of player dynamics on team performance?

622.735 - 642.977 Greg Cody

Everyone pounced on the guy, and I heard very few people wondering, how do you call that in that spot in this game? How is it that the referee, who doesn't want to make himself the call at the end of one of these games because he doesn't want to be responsible for deciding it, how do you not keep that flag in your pocket because a guy's woofing at a sideline?

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643.277 - 652.607 Greg Cody

I don't know how it is that the league has been able to actually scrub all of us. I get how they've taught the refs. How is it that the rest of us are such sheep on this one?

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652.587 - 668.194 Unknown

I don't think it's a matter of being a sheep. I looked at that play a couple of times on replay, and what I noticed was that the player who was flagged actually steps over the line into the bench area of the other team. That's pretty egregious.

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668.234 - 682.71 Greg Cody

Did he do that? Because I thought he was still on the field. I don't think he crossed the sideline. He was close to them. I believe he did. Okay, but in the NBA guys are closer all the time to the bench. Talking trash to the bench all the time in the NBA. Step over the sideline and woof at the sideline.

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682.73 - 694.741 Greg Cody

I don't know how it is that this has become so normalized in the last few years that we've gone from Terrell Owens runs on the field with a sharpie in his sock to you can't woof at a sideline. We're going to decide who goes to the Super Bowl based on this.

694.801 - 708.419 Stugotz

Then do it to Steph Curry when he shoots a shot from the corner with his back literally on the bench of the other team. Before it goes through the net, he turns around and looks at everybody while the ball goes through the net and then runs to the other side. We're talking about the same thing. I'm showing you I did a great play.

708.68 - 732.859 Greg Cody

What an effective league at scrubbing the personality out of the sport and also brainwashing its customers without us even noticing that they've done it because everyone pounced on woolen and I didn't see anyone pouncing at a referee when what I want my judges to do is not enforce the letter of the law. Use your judgment, please, and have better judgment than I do.

732.899 - 737.387 Mike Ryan

How much does it have to do with us not knowing and we would never know or remember the referee's name?

737.367 - 748.015 Greg Cody

I think it has more to do with the fact that that league has successfully scrubbed the personality out of the sport because it is so interested in enforcing rules and sportsmanship.

Chapter 8: How do the hosts view the ongoing debates about player rankings?

782.708 - 801.617 Greg Cody

That's fine. That's fine. I prefer my judges to have interpretation. Man, I could teach AI to follow letter of the law. Why don't I just replace all the officials? I could teach AI to follow letter of the law. I want perspective, nuance, and a human being using judgment who's more qualified at judgment than I am.

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801.657 - 808.347 Unknown

Where's the line of when you don't make a call? There's eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. That's not close enough?

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808.327 - 823.708 Mike Ryan

All I ask is that they're consistent. That if I can get a beat on what kind of game we're going to have in the first quarter, that's going to play out through the rest. I thought the college football playoff was excellent in that regard. Okay, they're going to let these guys play. That's the kind of game that we have to win out there. Fine.

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824.309 - 830.537 Mike Ryan

I like that each game takes a unique aspect, so I never want to eliminate that. All I want is consistency.

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830.517 - 853.276 Greg Cody

So the other thing that I wanted to ask you guys about the game is, and again, so many fascinating things about who's going to be remembered forevermore as the best team in football in this sport over things that are being decided by fractions and nanoseconds. We all agree that Sean McVay knows what he's doing is obviously brilliant.

853.416 - 877.647 Greg Cody

We were talking yesterday about the fact that as air traffic controllers, there's way too much that has to be processed in such a small amount of time. At the end of that game, what happened with that challenge and a timeout on a play where his guy on precision Cooper Cup, McVay's guy, Makes another third and ten play by inches where all of us were watching. All of us. Real time. All of us.

877.927 - 900.737 Greg Cody

Didn't get it. That spot's no good. He did not get there. We're watching on television. It's a better angle and we're watching it several times. McVay gets one shot at that. The smartest coach in the league are one of the smartest ones. burns a timeout because he doesn't know whether he should challenge or not in a moment where the guy who's the best at all the genius details

901.612 - 918.71 Greg Cody

isn't being accused of choking when they could have used that timeout. Now, I understand how it happened, obviously. That's Cooper Cupp. He taught him how to do that. Cooper Cupp gets those 10 yards because he knows exactly where it is that he's got to be. But how is Sean McVay supposed to process all of that in that moment?

918.73 - 926.978 Greg Cody

And why is he not being accused of choking when they needed that timeout? They needed to stop that play from becoming a first down.

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